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adkman12986 03-21-2012 07:12 AM

Environmentalists announce they've filed suit over Tupper resort

I for one would like this settled once and for all.

redhawk 03-21-2012 08:36 AM

"All but conclusive of this aspect of the issue is the constitutional and legislative history stretching over 80 years to preserve the Adirondack Area from despoliation, exploitation, and destruction by a contemporary generation in disregard of the generations to come."


But isn't that "unamerican"?

Pumpkin QAAD 03-21-2012 08:57 AM

I took pictures of all sorts of ancient (by ancient I mean 40's and 50's) junk on state land. For some reason I always think about that damn tupper development and the effect on the surrounding state lands forever.

Nothin unamerican about a good ol' fight over principles.

randomscooter 03-24-2012 05:36 PM

From the article:

While much of the intensive development is proposed for lands classified "Moderate Intensity Use," where the law intends for it take place, of major concern to PROTECT! and the Sierra Club, is the proposed fragmentation of 4,805 acres of undeveloped forest lands classified "Resource Management" by the Adirondack Park Agency Act, into 35 "Great Camp" lots and 45 other smaller lots.
By my calculation that's an average of 60 acres per lot.

From APA website:

Most development activities in resource management areas will require an Agency permit; compatible uses include residential uses, agriculture, and forestry. Special care is taken to protect the natural open space character of these lands.
Avg lot size: 42.7 acres.

geogymn 03-24-2012 06:36 PM

Hate to beat a dead horse but there is nothing else to beat. Anyone interested in fragmentation of the last best chunk of forest in the lower 48 might read, " The Song of the Dodo" by David Quammen. His discussion of SLOSS ( single large or several small) is sobering if not downright elegiac.
This Tupper decision is a threnody of a elegant dream. Now lets go gently into that good night.

DuctTape 03-24-2012 06:59 PM

One allegation in the lawsuit, if true, which raises an eyebrow is the allegation that the agency required certain studies, etc... to be completed and they allegedly weren't and the agency still approved the permit. Again this is just one of the allegations, but if true it does raise my level of concern.

Pumpkin QAAD 03-26-2012 08:33 AM

I am going strictly by memory but I remember the study issue surrounding amphibeans. Basically the APA commissioned an amphibean study based on what they thought was there and the study found a dozen more species or some crazy number. So an additional study should have been commissioned based on the unexpeceted discoveries but the APA felt it was not necessary to satisfy the watershed stewardship role.

That's one example I recall I'm sure there are many others. i.e. not clearcut either way once again!

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