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snowcraig 03-17-2017 12:10 PM

Historic Camping Event in need of a site
 
Hello,

I am a living historian and am in the process of planning an 1860s Adirondack weekend. Since the camps came in later in the 19th century, I was thinking it would really cool to actually camp, in canvas tents, and do things that people did in the 1860s - row boats, fishing, hiking etc.

I'm in need of a good place to do this. I'd like campground that is relatively simple and wooded on a lake. Group sites would be ideal - there may be about 25 of us. Cabins might be useful for those who don't have tents. It's so hard to search for such specifics on some of the camping sites.

Does anyone out there have suggestions? I'm looking at doing this event in 2018 so I have some time to plan.

Thank you so much,
Jessica C.

Wldrns 03-17-2017 01:55 PM

You are not likely to convince the DEC to write a camping permit for that many people in one place on state land. Large crowds by their very nature tend to be the antithesis of LNT. I suggest that you could consider LNT as a part of your program.

You may find private resorts that would accommodate you. It won't be cheap. For cabin camping, try Timberlock on Indian Lake, for example. https://timberlock.com

snowcraig 03-17-2017 03:14 PM

Thank you for the suggestion of that camp. Sounds interesting.

What is the LNT?

I'm also looking into camps and house rentals, but I thought the camping idea might be simplest...maybe not.

Thank you again.

Wldrns 03-17-2017 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by snowcraig (Post 256890)
What is the LNT? .

You have got to be kidding. Do you know anything at all about outdoor/camping ethics and care for the environment? Do some research, please.
https://lnt.org

http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/administr...2005jrnat3.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leave_No_Trace

Your other option may be a regional campground. LNT will still apply there.

http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/7825.html

http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/camping.html

http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/7872.html

aft paddle 03-17-2017 09:07 PM

Before this LNT rage. which a lot of people preach and then only seem to follow as it applies to their way, it was simply "leave it better than you found it". If nothing else, clearer than an acronym that someone may not have encountered.

Wldrns 03-18-2017 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by aft paddle (Post 256907)
Before this LNT rage. which a lot of people preach and then only seem to follow as it applies to their way, it was simply "leave it better than you found it". If nothing else, clearer than an acronym that someone may not have encountered.

"leave it better" is a great concept that I grew up with as a kid and in Scouts, but what does "better" mean? To some, it means cutting new trails, literally, or by leaving colored flagging, to some it may mean building additional fire rings to accommodate huge bon fires, to others it may mean constructing furniture to leave behind made out of fresh cut green wood. All while playing a boom box so loud that everyone on a large lake can hear it too. LNT, as a principled set of guidelines and concepts addresses all of these kinds of issues.

geogymn 03-18-2017 07:38 AM

LOL! Take it easy, at least he asked. There are plenty of greenhorns looking to enter the forest, lets welcome them and show them the way, the proper way.
LNT is an acronym? How would one pronounce that if this is the case?

aft paddle 03-18-2017 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by geogymn (Post 256915)
LOL!
LNT is an acronym? How would one pronounce that if this is the case?

I've found two ways

EH-len./ti/ or /'nit,pik,NG

geogymn 03-18-2017 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by aft paddle (Post 256918)
I've found two ways

EH-len./ti/ or /'nit,pik,NG

Elenti, I like it! The other not so much.
I can see it being used as a greeting as you bypass some campers on the trail, Elenti! And the response would be Elenti Tu!
It could be the secret password for forum members could identify each other.

WBB 03-18-2017 08:55 AM

snowcraig

Sent you a PM

Trail Boss 03-18-2017 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by snowcraig (Post 256886)
...
I was thinking it would really cool to actually camp, in canvas tents, and do things that people did in the 1860s - row boats, fishing, hiking etc. ...

Hey! I camped in a canvas tent in the 1970s. :)


You may want to investigate what the Adirondack Mountain Club has to offer at their Heart Lake facility (Adirondak Loj). They have several options you can rent including lean-tos facing the lake, private cabins, camping sites (i.e. car-camping), and even canvas tents erected on platforms.
https://www.adk.org/stay/

aft paddle 03-18-2017 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by geogymn (Post 256920)
Elenti, I like it! The other not so much.
I can see it being used as a greeting as you bypass some campers on the trail, Elenti! And the response would be Elenti Tu!
It could be the secret password for forum members could identify each other.

:rolling: Nice.

Zach 03-18-2017 03:29 PM

I camped in a canvas tent in the very early 1990s, otherwise known as ye goode olde dayes.
Zach

geogymn 03-18-2017 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by aft paddle (Post 256929)
:rolling: Nice.

aft paddle, glad you can see the humor, let me buy you a beer sometime.

aft paddle 03-19-2017 07:41 AM

Of Course! I'll be the guy with "Elenti" plastered all over my hiking gear.

Justin 03-22-2017 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by snowcraig (Post 256886)
Group sites would be ideal - there may be about 25 of us. Does anyone out there have suggestions?

Jessica,
You may want to look into the Tioga Point Campground on Raquette Lake, where there are 15 different lean-tos that may be reserved. Best of luck & welcome to Adkforum.

Neil 03-22-2017 09:04 AM

Hi Jessica, welcome to the forum!

We are a mixed bunch!

You have already unknowingly begun practicing LNT by coming to the forum. You are doing your research and planning ahead! Indeed the very first priciple of LNT is Plan Ahead and Prepare. Sweet!

Would this event be somewhat in the fashion of a re-enactment? That would indeed be an interesting and challenging project in this day and age of LNT practices. The trouble with that is to practice LNT on a camping trip often requires using modern gear (synthetic clothing and shelter, stoves instead of fires etc.). However, doing the same basic activities as the "sports" did back in the day but using modern-day techniques and gear would certainly work.

I'm not sure of the dates, when did Adirondack Murray popularize the ADK outdoor movement?

snowcraig 03-22-2017 01:17 PM

Thank you for all this information. I was not familiar with the acronym, LNT, but am familiar with the leave no trace practice. Maybe this is not the right forum to ask my question. I was looking for potential sites to camp with my group and I know there are campgrounds out there that cater to larger groups and might be able to accommodate my needs. If this is not the forum to ask that question on, I apologize.

Thank you for those who provided suggestions of campgrounds.

Yes, this is a reenactment. We would not be using modern gear as that would defeat the purpose. I am researching 19th century camping as part of my research for this event. The tricky part is that the Adirondacks were not a big tourist destination until after the Civil War and my group's focus is the 1850s and 60s, so it is earlier than the Adirondack Camp movement. Those who did venture into the mountains camped, so to be authentic to that experience that's what I'm looking for.

Thanks again for the help offered.

Neil 03-22-2017 01:21 PM

Take a look at Magic Pines campground on rte 9 north of Lewis. I've been part of a large group there.

Zach 03-22-2017 02:41 PM

It sounds like an interesting effort. According to my very limited understanding of Adirondack history the early visitors did various things with that worked then but are no longer permitted on state land, such as building brush lean-tos, bough beds and such. Perhaps these things could be done on private land, if you could find a willing landowner, or perhaps this is not what you have in mind. Best of luck with whatever you end up doing.
Zach


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