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Old 11-26-2018, 12:11 AM   #21
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What about the float planes on 7th lake and long lake and others? NY doesn't own the air we breathe although they would like to. Knowing the law is one thing and guessing is another. I can land an amphibious plane in the shortest space you could imagine. Talk about STOL. But if the helicopter never touched ground technically it wouldn't be in the park. And there are helos that hardly make a sound. The Navy has had them for 20 years. If you had any idea how many secret OPS fly into wilderness areas all over the USA (official business of course), and what makes it official? Compartmentalized information. But many Special Forces have been involved. What they were doing is still highly classified. But apparently none here noticed any helicopter noise. So I guess I have answered my own question.
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Old 11-26-2018, 12:18 AM   #22
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Of course not withstanding the following directive:
7-4-5. Pilot Advisories on Bird and Other Wildlife Hazards
Many airports advise pilots of other wildlife hazards caused by large animals on the runway through the A/FD and the NOTAM system. Collisions of landing and departing aircraft and animals on the runway are increasing and are not limited to rural airports. These accidents have also occurred at several major airports. Pilots should exercise extreme caution when warned of the presence of wildlife on and in the vicinity of airports. If you observe deer or other large animals in close proximity to movement areas, advise the FSS, tower, or airport management.
7-4-6. Flights Over Charted U.S. Wildlife Refuges, Parks, and Forest Service Areas
a. The landing of aircraft is prohibited on lands or waters administered by the National Park Service, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, or U.S. Forest Service without authorization from the respective agency. Exceptions include:
1. When forced to land due to an emergency beyond the control of the operator;
2. At officially designated landing sites; or
3. An approved official business of the Federal Government.
b. Pilots are requested to maintain a minimum altitude of 2,000 feet above the surface of the following: National Parks, Monuments, Seashores, Lakeshores, Recreation Areas and Scenic Riverways administered by the National Park Service, National Wildlife Refuges, Big Game Refuges, Game Ranges and Wildlife Ranges administered by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and Wilderness and Primitive areas administered by the U.S. Forest Service.
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FAA Advisory Circular AC 91-36, Visual Flight Rules (VFR) Flight Near Noise-Sensitive Areas, defines the surface of a national park area (including parks, forests, primitive areas, wilderness areas, recreational areas, national seashores, national monuments, national lakeshores, and national wildlife refuge and range areas) as: the highest terrain within 2,000 feet laterally of the route of flight, or the upper-most rim of a canyon or valley.
c. Federal statutes prohibit certain types of flight activity and/or provide altitude restrictions over designated U.S. Wildlife Refuges, Parks, and Forest Service Areas. These designated areas, for example: Boundary Waters Canoe Wilderness Areas, Minnesota; Haleakala National Park, Hawaii; Yosemite National Park, California; and Grand Canyon National Park, Arizona, are charted on Sectional Charts.
d. Federal regulations also prohibit airdrops by parachute or other means of persons, cargo, or objects from aircraft on lands administered by the three agencies without authorization from the respective agency. Exceptions include:
1. Emergencies involving the safety of

There is a 2000 ft minimum, which isn't much.
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Old 11-26-2018, 12:20 AM   #23
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7th Lake and Long Lake are not designated wilderness areas. The regulation is available for reading (and thus interpretation).

https://govt.westlaw.com/nycrr/Brows...ta=(sc.Default)

https://govt.westlaw.com/nycrr/Docum...ta=(sc.Default)
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Old 11-26-2018, 12:40 AM   #24
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Thank You Wldrns! Much appreciated.
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Old 11-26-2018, 08:06 AM   #25
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Regarding animals and airports, I remember when flying into Eielson AFB (near Fairbanks, AK) there was a note on the approach chart to beware of moose frequently being on the runway.

My brother was an early modern hot air balloon pilot in the 1960's. I found it odd that when we flew over farmland near home that dairy cows had no fear of the loud propane burner and seemed to be very interested in the balloon overhead, often following us in groups as we drifted by. Unfortunately during one flight a cow tumbled down a cliff and was destroyed. My brother paid the farmer for the cow.

Visiting Eielson AFB years later, while driving by after a canoe race, a moose was spotted in the fireweed not far from the runway.
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Old 11-26-2018, 10:46 AM   #26
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Regarding animals and airports, I remember when flying into Eielson AFB (near Fairbanks, AK) there was a note on the approach chart to beware of moose frequently being on the runway.
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Old 11-26-2018, 11:46 AM   #27
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If the helicoptor has a motor, isn't it a motorized vehicle? It has to land, and it is certain that float planes are prohibited from landing in wilderness classified areas, so logic would say the egg beater won't get a pass either.
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Old 11-26-2018, 02:29 PM   #28
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If the helicoptor has a motor, isn't it a motorized vehicle? It has to land, and it is certain that float planes are prohibited from landing in wilderness classified areas, so logic would say the egg beater won't get a pass either.
2000 foot fast rope? "Is that the marines?" "No, just Schultzz and his buddies starting their camping trip."
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2000 foot fast rope? "Is that the marines?" "No, just Schultzz and his buddies starting their camping trip."
That's a good one Johnny!
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