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Since we digress
This might be a good time to mention the disagreement that almost sundered the FreeStyle paddling group.
We'd had a spat of motorboat and jet ski rundowns in the late 90s and decided to go proactive. We selected the Smith and Wesson stainless auto platform because it was double action and American made and took magazines for quick reloads. There was some grumbling that custom Colt Autos were more accurate, mostly me, but that was voted down. We agreed we should have a common round so one FreeStyler could share magazines with another. Then it got ugly. The women demanded 9mm autos for reduced recoil and maximum magazine capacity. The guys wanted 45 auto, on the basis that once you've decided to shoot at a motorized craft, the bigger hole would be better. Coffee was served with or without cream and sugar; the obverse of normal practice. Married folks, and even folks in love, ceased cohabiting. The blanket was about to be torn multiply when S&W came out with the 40 caliber S&W. Less recoil for the smaller; pretty good sized drain holes for the more aggressive; life became good again. Magazines were exchanged as needed. The anti motorboat/jet-ski initiative continued. Lou Glaros was a guidance engineer at Martin Marietta. While he worked on the Sidewinder, he figured we didn't need ten miles of range and probably couldn't afford $500K a Jet-ski, so he modified the shoulder fired, 2 mile range, Stinger's heat seeking guidance so a much lower thermal image would suffice for targeting. I was with him on the first test, with two of the hybrids mounted on Lou's Whaler in Florida. He was at 90 dg to the test site on his Hobie Cat with a video camera. A jet ski appeared and entered the area. Lou radioed to fire and I did. The missile streaked out, acquired the target, traced a curved path to it and voila! No jet ski. We agreed to chat about what to do with the oil slick later. Then a runabout entered the target area. Lou radioed to fire again, which I did, while noticing Lou lighting a big cigar. he was always enamored of the fighter pilot ethos. The missile streaked out, seemed to acquire the runabout, then turned and streaked towards the HobieCat. It was terrible! The Hobie, Lou and video camera gone, along with most of a perfectly good Cuban cigar. On the bright side, no oil slick! But, with our engineer gone, no chance to fine tune the heat seeking device, so FreeStylers settled back into the more defensive posture of using defensive products against motorboats. OK, that's meant to be amusing, and maybe cathartic. In reality, we're kinda like bikers with bumperstickers reading "Start Seeing Motorcycles" That is wishful thinking. We need to do what we can to protect ourselves: bright boats, bright and worn PFDs and, maybe flags on big water. WinterWarlock is very correct; it comes down to gross weight. Mass X Velocity squared; the motorboats wins almost every time. Be careful out there! Last edited by charlie wilson; 07-02-2010 at 02:04 PM.. |
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you've heard of the slogan "Share the Road". What it means is the road doesn't exist only for cars, other people use various modes of transportation. Motorcycles, bicycles, & pedestrians. Same principle goes for the water. To suggest that kayakers stick to the shoreline is like telling a bicyclist to stay on the sidewalk. Have you ever watched someone in a car pass a bicycle by merely an inch or two, when they could have gone over to the left a whole lane if they wanted to be safe? The same type of people who would do that also exist on the water in a greater proportions to normal people ratio & do that sort of thing all the time. I think Lake George could use some serious law enforcement to rein in all the yahoos, whether they own property or not. Crack down on them, while making money from citations. If the sheriff had a clue about the law & some guts, he would charge that man with involuntary or reckless manslaughter. If the worst you'll get is a ticket for something like this, it will not jar other ignorant people to think or deter them from their ways. But I suppose that wouldn't go over well with the powerboat happy property owners. Is he worried he won't get re-elected? Shouldn't the state police get involved with this? I don't like the sheriffs "oh well, he should have worn his PFD attitude." He would still be dead from being run over. This isn't some minor accident caused by the kayaker not wearing his PFD. Focus on the the cause! Now I know why some people choose trial by judge rather than jury. |
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This is almost off topic... On a biking vacation in the Netherlands recently, I couldn't help but notice how polite car and even semi-truck drivers were when passing bicycles. They'd slow right down and then move far to the left when passing. When I mentioned this to the owner of a bread/breakfast I was staying at, she said that whenever there is an accident between a motor vehicle and a bike, the motor vehicle driver will *always* be found to be at fault in a court case. Dunno how true that is, but it does seem to support 8thdays' suggestion about better law enforcement.
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Agreed, at least until not-wearing causes a significant expense to emergency services--and then perhaps the better answer would be to bill them for the emergency services. Along the same minimum-necessary-regulation line of thought, perhaps we should all encourage news media to give thorough coverage to the accidents that do happen, thereby encouraging people to take effective precautions. And perhaps similar public media attention is necessary to inform (or remind?) motorboat operators of their responsibility for damage (or endangerment?) caused by their wake.
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Very Cool!
Frontier justice dispensed at the scene of the crime, very cool indeed!
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I'm buying a flare gun & if it looks like someone is about to kill me I will aim for their head if possible. I know they're not that accurate, but I'll do the best I can with it.
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I really wanna try that!
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WOW BEV UR ONE LADY IM NOT MESSIN WIT just desserts from what i can see
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New announcement in the kayaker case...
DA announces they are looking into filing more charges, but the boater's attorney is trying to put the blame on the kayaker for not wearing his PFD, and get this...for having a dark colored boat!
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well it's not the attorney's fault, just his job. no way a judge should agree with it though IMO
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If it was a Public Defender, I'd agree with you, but hired defense attorney's are not required to take a particular case.
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