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Old 11-20-2018, 08:45 AM   #1
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Ranger report

I'd like to think the rangers became aware of the activity from the discussions on this website about all the cut trees, but we'll likely never know. Nevertheless, this report from the weeklies should gladden a few hearts!



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Enforcement: On Nov. 11, Forest Rangers Gregory Hoag and Robert Coscomb apprehended four subjects at an illegal camp in the West Canada Wilderness. The four subjects found at Camp Get A Way were in violation of several parts of the Environmental Conservation Law (ECL) and of New York Codes, Rules and Regulations. The Rangers issued 20 tickets for violations, including having an illegal snowmobile and chainsaw in a wilderness area, damaging state land and cutting trees, storage of personal property, depositing litter, as well as several violations for illegal camping. The subjects have been ordered to remove the camp from the wilderness area by Dec.1, and are set to appear in court for these charges on Jan. 15.
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Old 11-20-2018, 09:28 AM   #2
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It never hurts to become personally acquainted with the DEC Rangers in your local area and those who cover the lands where you frequent. You begin that process by contacting them to ask questions and look to them for advice when you are unsure or need to confirm the wisdom of your outdoor activities. Through my own travels over the years, I have come to know many rangers from around the state, at least those who have been on the job for a while, and am getting to know the newer recruits. All now especially through my frequent participation during many SAR incidents and other volunteer work on trails and leanto rescue, I am well known to them, up to the lieutenant and captain level as well. I think it is a good thing when a ranger previously unknown to me calls on me by name. Bob Coscomb and Greg Hoag are included in my nearby local circle.
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Old 11-20-2018, 09:39 AM   #3
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I was part of a SAR crew looking for a 70+yr old guy in the BRWF a few years ago who became lost when headed to his own family illegal "camp getaway" that the rangers previously knew nothing about. But after missing for 7 days, a successful find of the downed barely alive man, the camp became well known during the search and then was dismantled.

In various backcountry bushwhack wanderings I (and I am sure others) have seen past evidence of other such camps, mostly no longer in viable condition. Rangers do like to receive reports about these.
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Old 11-20-2018, 10:05 AM   #4
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Where exactly is Camp Get A Way?
They may have had a little sign that they hung up when they were back in using their spot. Lots of folks do that with the legal campsites along the road in the MRP. Or maybe they had the hubris to leave it up all the time. The western parts of WCW are inaccessible enough that someone might think they could get away with snowmobiling back in to camp, especially if they lived around Nobleboro or that general area.
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Old 11-20-2018, 12:52 PM   #5
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expect there to be many more such camps,
lots of "bushcraft" forums and youtube videos of people making such camps all over the US,
people think because they saw it on youtube they can go out in any patch of woods and do as they please
there are even those that advocate illegal camps and call it "stealth" camping
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Old 11-20-2018, 01:20 PM   #6
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In various backcountry bushwhack wanderings I (and I am sure others) have seen past evidence of other such camps, mostly no longer in viable condition. Rangers do like to to receive reports about these.
Iíve seen a few, a couple of them still active & maintained.
I was even threatened by one of the guys that uses this camp shortly after I posted the video on YouTube... https://youtu.be/f4q1Yq6nNw0
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Old 11-20-2018, 01:35 PM   #7
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Iíve seen a few, a couple of them still active & maintained.
I was even threatened by one of the guys that uses this camp shortly after I posted the video on YouTube... https://youtu.be/f4q1Yq6nNw0
I remember this vid, but had forgotten how much stuff was in there! Do you know if the DEC cleaned it all out of there.
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Old 11-20-2018, 01:50 PM   #8
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I remember this vid, but had forgotten how much stuff was in there! Do you know if the DEC cleaned it all out of there.
I haven’t been back since I “literally kicked a turd and caused a lot of heartache”, and was told that my “intrusion is not welcome” and I “will receive my reward”.
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Old 11-20-2018, 03:23 PM   #9
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expect there to be many more such camps,
lots of "bushcraft" forums and youtube videos of people making such camps all over the US,
people think because they saw it on youtube they can go out in any patch of woods and do as they please
there are even those that advocate illegal camps and call it "stealth" camping
I don't think we are talking about true stealth camping with these trashy and obvious semi-permanent campsites. "Stealth Camping is the act of secretly camping in a public or private area and then depart without being detected". Think beyond or ultra leave no trace. Stay one night silent and unseen (Cichociemni) and then depart without leaving any sign or evidence that you are or were there whatsoever. The reasons why may be legal and legitimate or otherwise questionable. Those "hidden" getaway camps made with some level of comfort in mind are nothing more than trash dumps
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Old 11-20-2018, 04:04 PM   #10
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Scott Van Laer has some pics of the camp in question on his Instagram @ADKRanger
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Old 11-20-2018, 04:17 PM   #11
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I don't think we are talking about true stealth camping with these trashy and obvious semi-permanent campsites. "Stealth Camping is the act of secretly camping in a public or private area and then depart without being detected". Think beyond or ultra leave no trace. Stay one night silent and unseen (Cichociemni) and then depart without leaving any sign or evidence that you are or were there whatsoever. The reasons why may be legal and legitimate or otherwise questionable. Those "hidden" getaway camps made with some level of comfort in mind are nothing more than trash dumps
in basic form yes you are correct
in bushcraft forums many are using "stealth" camping as way of illegal camping, basically "stealth" as in not to get caught
many include setting up such camps in remote locations and such calling them their stealth campsite stealth only referring to Illegal and not getting caught
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Old 11-20-2018, 04:19 PM   #12
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I haven’t been back since I “literally kicked a turd and caused a lot of heartache”, and was told that my “intrusion is not welcome” and I “will receive my reward”.
I hope that was enough evidence to pursue legal action and I hope you did!
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Old 11-20-2018, 04:32 PM   #13
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I hope that was enough evidence to pursue legal action and I hope you did!
I didn’t pursue any legal action, but I do know the guy's name & what he looks like. My DEC contact for that area is aware, and has photos of him... A friend of mine owns a camp in that area & has photos of him from his trail-cam cutting through his posted property.
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Those "hidden" getaway camps made with some level of comfort in mind are nothing more than trash dumps
Some are, yes, but a couple that I’ve seen were pretty clean (including the camp in my video posted above), with no cut tree stumps or litter of any kind. Other than the obvious “structure” with it’s contents & stack of split firewood there really wasn’t much for me to complain about imo. However, there have been times where I found an “illegal camp” with gear, tarps, & other things scattered all over the place, with litter, and cut tree stumps, and freshly cut pine boughs used to cover up stashed supplies, etc...those I have reported to DEC.
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Would it be illegal to fly a private helicopter to a remote place in the park and bring all that is needed (legal), and when departing leave no trace?
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Would it be illegal to fly a private helicopter to a remote place in the park and bring all that is needed (legal), and when departing leave no trace?
No. No motorized vehicles of any kind are allowed in wilderness areas without authorization. No chain saws or anything else with a motor, and even if you ask about flying a drone the answer technically will be no. Check with the DEC is you don't believe me. The Lean2Rescue crew and trail maintenance crews are only allowed to use motor power saw equipment during certain seasons with permission.
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No. No motorized vehicles of any kind are allowed in wilderness areas without authorization. No chain saws or anything else with a motor, and even if you ask about flying a drone the answer technically will be no. Check with the DEC is you don't believe me. The Lean2Rescue crew and trail maintenance crews are only allowed to use motor power saw equipment during certain seasons with permission.
But is there a law against a chopper in a Wild Forest area?
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But is there a law against a chopper in a Wild Forest area?
Probably not. But there are people who complain (certainly not me) about military aircraft flying at 10,000+ feet above the surface. What do you think they would say about a chopper coming in for landing. Think about the complaints people in AZ have about tourist flights flying down into the Grand Canyon.
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But is there a law against a chopper in a Wild Forest area?
A Harley chopper?
Yes, I’m pretty sure there is.
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Old 11-26-2018, 12:22 AM   #20
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well it may be that FAA or DoD have the final say in making noise above above our Green and Pleasant Land. I well remember as a young sprog somewhere in Wales seeing Jaguars and Bucaneers from above as they flew beneath me. This turned out to be what is now know as the Mach Loop where RAF and UASFE train. https://youtu.be/kGnH-Jbmk44
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