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Old 09-05-2017, 09:33 AM   #1
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Electrifying bears

Anybody ever seen or heard......or used this type of bear defense?


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Old 09-05-2017, 02:10 PM   #2
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Adirondack Loj uses an electric fence around their trash site, but it is AC power. Surprised you could run this off of D Cells.

I am pretty happy with my bear canister and general bear-awareness.
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Old 09-05-2017, 03:13 PM   #3
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I think the Noonmark Diner has an electric fence around their garbage dumpster, also. The regular powered fences seem to work, but like tenderfoot, I'm not sure if any battery you could reasonably carry would have enough juice.
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Old 09-05-2017, 03:14 PM   #4
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Lots of farmers use dry cell battery power for their electric fences.
The dry cell power is fed into a step up transformer to produce a powerful electric shock. High voltage, little amperage.
i've seen remote applications in many camps in the Kunjamuk area.
The batteries last a long time because there is no drain on them until an animal touches the fence.

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Old 09-05-2017, 04:04 PM   #5
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Good info for sure.
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Good info for sure.
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Thanks, Jack.
I've seen a few things.
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Old 09-05-2017, 08:39 PM   #7
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Was just in Inlet/Eagle Bay over the weekend and the Toboggan Inn had electric fencing around their dumpsters. Many of DEC campgrounds do something around the refuse buildings.
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Work for Farmer's Insurance?
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This is a thing out west but their bears tend to eat people.

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Anybody ever seen or heard......or used this type of bear defense?
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I've heard a lot about using electric fence while hiking/camping.

Perfect for short hikes in the bear's area. But for long ones, it's useless unless you will find a place to recharge the battery.
Also, some of the bear fences work on just two D-cell batteries, so you better stock up with those batteries.

But this kind of defense is also weather sensitive.

"In weedy sites, you will have to cut down growth that contacts the wires or the charge will be diminished. Heavy rain or snow could also cause failure."
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Out of context, but charitable.
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Don't pee on the fence.
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Old 09-07-2017, 09:23 AM   #13
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I've actually held one. On uncles farm. Him with 1' soled work boots he needed to correct a hip issue. Well insulated. Me with flip flops. he grabbed it, with a wry smile that I should have recognized. I grabbed it and since it pulsed I felt nothing at first and than something akin to a swift kick in the rear. I can still hear my uncle cackling.


"This is a thing out west but their bears tend to eat people."
Yes - I enjoy that black bear hardly ever eat you, grizzly bear occasionally and white bear usually. Let's hope they do not swap recipes
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I have one around my back yard to keep the deer out. You just bait it in the spring with apple or grape scent cups, and when the deer lick the bait they get a shock. They tend to stay away after that. They're pretty smart and tend to remember and consequently avoid pain. Like HS said, it's low amps and high voltage -- like a static shock about every second. If you are grounded (like if you get yourself between the wire and a tree) it has a kick to it. Otherwise, if you're just standing there with shoes on, you can barely feel it.
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I've heard a lot about using electric fence while hiking/camping.

Perfect for short hikes in the bear's area. But for long ones, it's useless unless you will find a place to recharge the battery.
Also, some of the bear fences work on just two D-cell batteries, so you better stock up with those batteries.

But this kind of defense is also weather sensitive.

"In weedy sites, you will have to cut down growth that contacts the wires or the charge will be diminished. Heavy rain or snow could also cause failure."
The main detriment is high weeds touching the fencing, in that case the the fencer unit would be directly shorted, rendering the the fence useless.
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This is a thing out west but their bears tend to eat people.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/articl...pack-bear-fenc
It's not only the bears out west that eat people. Of course black bears don't normally eat people. As the article below states it's very rare, "one in a million" but sometimes they do eat people like this east coast black bear did...

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An autopsy showed that Patel was mauled by the bear. Human remains were found in the bearís stomach and esophagus, and human blood and tissue were found underneath its claws, authorities said. http://www.nj.com/passaic-county/ind...t_milford.html
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The main detriment is high weeds touching the fencing, in that case the the fencer unit would be directly shorted, rendering the the fence useless.
Not useless. Maybe less effective? My fence is around about an acre, and it's constantly touching tree leaves, branches, weeds, etc., and I think because none of those things is a perfect conductor, it still works fine, even though it's technically a direct short. There's a lot of resistance to a weed, even a wet one and the fence is connected to a grounding rod on the far end, which is a much easier path for the electricity to take. Weeds might be more of an issue for a battery powered set up, however.
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Not useless. Maybe less effective? My fence is around about an acre, and it's constantly touching tree leaves, branches, weeds, etc., and I think because none of those things is a perfect conductor, it still works fine, even though it's technically a direct short. There's a lot of resistance to a weed, even a wet one and the fence is connected to a grounding rod on the far end, which is a much easier path for the electricity to take. Weeds might be more of an issue for a battery powered set up, however.
High weeds touching the electrified wire would quickly deplete the battery source.
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High weeds touching the electrified wire would quickly deplete the battery source.
No, since it's not drawing constant current. A periodic pulse every second, for instance, would use up the battery at the same rate whether it was looping around a large farm (or campsite) or shorting out to ground ten feet away.
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No, since it's not drawing constant current. A periodic pulse every second, for instance, would use up the battery at the same rate whether it was looping around a large farm (or campsite) or shorting out to ground ten feet away.
Well, if a high weed is in direct contact of the fence, anywhere on the property, it would deplete the power source.
Simple as that.
What more can I say???
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