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Old 10-25-2014, 01:29 PM   #1
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The Last Dragons - Protecting Appalachia's Hellbenders

I thought some may find this video enjoyable. I hosted an underwater digital training workshop with Jeremy Monroe/Freshwaters illustrated years ago at one of our benthic macroinvertebrate training workshops. This is Jeremy's most recent and incredible work.



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Old 10-25-2014, 06:16 PM   #2
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Neat! Thanks for sharing.
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Old 10-25-2014, 06:41 PM   #3
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Very cool!!! I've never seen one. Do we have them this far north?
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Old 10-25-2014, 06:49 PM   #4
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Very cool!!! I've never seen one. Do we have them this far north?
It looks as though there are some "In New York, the hellbender is found solely in the Susquehanna and Allegheny River drainages, including their associated tributaries.": http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7160.html

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Old 10-25-2014, 09:58 PM   #5
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I grew up between the Chenango and Susquehanna rivers. I remember as a kid walking though the woods on a 4 wheeler trail. This trail has a lot of stones and almost always water running down it like a ditch. We were lifting rocks along the trail trying to find newts. One large rock I lifted I was startled by a large salamander about a foot or more in length and as big around as a water bottle hissing at me. by time I gained my wits it burrowed its way down and after 15 minutes of looking we never found it. Still to this day I am unable to identify what it was. First thought was a hellbender. However this was literally cream ish in color and its tail was flat like that of a beaver. Not flat vertically like the hellbender for swimming but literally flat like a beaver tail. I have looked online and searched for what it may have been but haven't a clue.
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Old 10-25-2014, 10:00 PM   #6
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the area in name is a small town known as Smithville flats and was about 400 yards from the Geneganslet creek about 3 miles west of Chenango river
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Old 10-25-2014, 10:01 PM   #7
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now that I think of it perhaps an albino hellbender? the color is what threw me off
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Old 10-26-2014, 10:52 PM   #8
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Old 10-27-2014, 02:05 PM   #9
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Ryan, could it have been a mudpuppy? There's one pictured in the link below

http://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/94128.html

We catch them quite a bit on Oneida Lake.
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Old 10-27-2014, 09:43 PM   #10
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Nope, really was just like the hellbender but cream colored. Its tail laid flat like a beaver not vertical for swimming
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Old 10-27-2014, 09:45 PM   #11
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I studied fish and wildlife management and asked all I could, may have been new species.....now I live over 300 miles away never got a chance to look more, that and it must have been 10 years ago
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Old 11-02-2014, 01:06 AM   #12
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The hissing is a dead giveaway... it had to have been a mudpuppy.
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Old 11-02-2014, 08:04 AM   #13
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I have handled mud puppies def not what it was. It's legs were way larger, it did not have the gill like structure either. I honestly think it's an undocumented species or a genetic variant color wise of the hellbender.....it was so far from running water too so I was leaning away from hellbender not only for that but because of its cream almost white color.
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