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Old 10-20-2016, 03:45 PM   #1
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cedarlands scout camp?

Is cedarlands still open for canoeing/camping after and before summer session?
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Old 10-20-2016, 04:54 PM   #2
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The rules of the easement are still in place. the Easement lands surrounding the 300 acre core camp are open for public use, outside of June-August even though it is no longer used as a scout camp. However, camping is not yet permitted on easement lands. Day use only. The DEC will be working to establish campsites.
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Old 10-20-2016, 04:55 PM   #3
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let's pool our money and we can buy it.
http://www.fountainsland.com/propertyDesc.aspx?Id=454
What a shame that scouting has to sell off their camps due to lagging use and membership. My summer camp was Curtis S Read over in Brant Lake, we used to outpost on lake Pharoah.
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Old 10-20-2016, 05:00 PM   #4
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its a darn shame to let this jewel go. I was there when a developer was touring the property, thinking of turning it into a youth/adult resort camp. He expressed deep concern over the continuing easement on what woud be "his" property with public access and his potential liability. i offered to guide for him, but have heard that he has since backed out.
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Old 10-20-2016, 05:20 PM   #5
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let's pool our money and we can buy it.
http://www.fountainsland.com/propertyDesc.aspx?Id=454
What a shame that scouting has to sell off their camps due to lagging use and membership. My summer camp was Curtis S Read over in Brant Lake, we used to outpost on lake Pharoah.
poor management practices by paid "professional" scout administrators. Camp Russell was in the mid 2000's the only profitable camp among the three that the council owned, until the then camp director was fired, in part for paying the staff too much. it was a sad day last month when everything not nailed down from Cedarlands and Russell went at auction. One of the professionals made the comment that the Adirondacks was too far from the office in Utica and no one wanted to travel that far. Yet Massawepie is managed out of Rochester, and Curtis Read's offices are in Westchester. Sabattis Adventure Camp (near Little Tupper) is managed from new jersey.

Curtis Read is managed by friends of mine. it is unfortunate that the camp is not actually on Brant Lake, but only has two small ponds.
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Old 10-21-2016, 08:03 AM   #6
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poor management practices by paid "professional" scout administrators. Camp Russell was in the mid 2000's the only profitable camp among the three that the council owned, until the then camp director was fired, in part for paying the staff too much. it was a sad day last month when everything not nailed down from Cedarlands and Russell went at auction. One of the professionals made the comment that the Adirondacks was too far from the office in Utica and no one wanted to travel that far. Yet Massawepie is managed out of Rochester, and Curtis Read's offices are in Westchester. Sabattis Adventure Camp (near Little Tupper) is managed from new jersey.

Curtis Read is managed by friends of mine. it is unfortunate that the camp is not actually on Brant Lake, but only has two small ponds.
I thought Sabattis was run by the Syracuse Council? My troop used to go there, but when they went under new management, they pushed so hard to cut costs that the food quantities shrunk, and my Scouts were so hungry I had to make a run into Tupper to buy extra provisions to keep them going. We have since switched to Massaweepie...personally, I think the property at Sabattis is much nicer, but the crew and the food at Massaweepie are much better.

We are actually considering going up to Haliburton Scout Reserve in Ontario next summer...I've heard very good things.
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I thought Sabattis was run by the Syracuse Council? M.
Yes, the Sabattis Scout Reservation located on Lows Lake is operated by the Longhouse Council (formerly Hiawatha Council) based in Syracuse. However, Sabattis Adventure Camp, which is not on Lows Lake (but not far away) is owned by Patriot's Path Council, Cedar Knolls, NJ.
https://ppcbsa.org/camping/boys/sabattis/

https://www.google.com/maps/dir//174...4!2d44.0685899
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Yes, the Sabattis Scout Reservation located on Lows Lake is operated by the Longhouse Council (formerly Hiawatha Council) based in Syracuse. However, Sabattis Adventure Camp, which is not on Lows Lake (but not far away) is owned by Patriot's Path Council, Cedar Knolls, NJ.
https://ppcbsa.org/camping/boys/sabattis/
Ah - that's right...now I remember. Thanks!
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Are there details with regards to this easement that would allow the property to be closed to public use in the future?

My understanding of easements is that any rights owned by the state (development, recreational use) are subjected to the same protections that apply to the Forest Preserve. In other words, the state can't just dispense of those rights on a whim, nor can any property owners (present or future) decide to restrict public access.
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