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Old 07-11-2006, 09:00 AM   #61
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The movie was called "Cold River" based on the novel originally titled "Winterkill", written by William Judson, an Adirondack area author. After the movie was in production the book was re-released in the same name. The movie starred Suzanne Webber, Richard Jaeckel (who incidently died in 1997 of skin cancer) and Robert Earl Jones, the father of James Earl Jones.

Both the book and the movie (DVD) are available from Amazon.com.

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I thought of "Cold River" as well. I have the book.

The sysnopsis howevwer was a little different. The father dies from injuries when he fell into the rapids and the kids were out there for almost a year through the winter and weren't subsisting on insects.
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The sysnopsis howevwer was a little different. The father dies from injuries when he fell into the rapids and the kids were out there for almost a year through the winter and weren't subsisting on insects.
The timeframe seemed right, though. "Cold River" was released in 1982, and it sounds like he might have gotten some of the plot elements mixed up with some other movies that were out around the same time. Can you think of anything else released in the 1980s that was shot in and about the Adirondacks?

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Old 07-11-2006, 06:44 PM   #63
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Cold River

Thanks guys for the input. Like I said, I saw the movie when I was in sixth grade about 20 years ago so the details are definitely a little fuzzy. But I do definitely remember a scene where the daughter had coooked up a can of beans,and to make enough of a meal for them she had to mix in with it some grubs and slugs. Her little brother really loved it but she couldn't eat any, she was too grossed out. I really don't remember how long they were out there, but I do remember it was only supposed to be a short while.
Anyway, I guess the whole lesson I learned from it is to never go hiking unprepared. About 99% of the time I'll have my pack with me with about 4-5 days worth of gear and supplies with me. My friends always laugh at me, but having grown up in the 'Dacks I know better. Too many "sad" stories like the ones posted here.
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Old 07-11-2006, 09:41 PM   #64
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Trailpatrol,

Any update on the Adirondack SAR book? I am currently reading The Last Season about Randy Morgenson, the NPS backcountry ranger who disappeared in the Sierra Nevada. I was just thinking the other night that I haven't seen any similar books on missing persons in the Adirondacks.
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Old 01-04-2008, 07:58 PM   #65
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Misunderstandings about Douglas Legg disappearance.

I am going to address a few inaccuracies concerning the disappearance of Doug Legg.

First of all, his Uncle was not the last to see him. Originally the Syracuse Post Standard reported that Myron Melvin Jr. had been the last to see him. But when the rescue team from California came in, they reinterviewed all the family members. At this time, they realized that two of his cousins had been the last to see him, on the North Shore lumber road. This can be found in the Syracuse Post Standard perhaps around day 10 of the search.

The Camp Santanoni Property is a bit of a contradiction. Most of the 13000 acres were close to some sort of lumber tote road, as most of the property had been lumbered between 1895 and 1971. But the hurricane in the late 1950's had caused much blow down, and in turn, a tremendous growth in the undergrowth. So, the military group that helped out with the search remarked that the brush was denser than Vietnam.

The lumber roads and older roads extend into the Cold River Valley, hence why there are theories that he wandered to there. Of a side note is that there is a belief that this road system was once part of the Underground Railroad system. Think John Brown's farm, less than 20 rugged miles away.

As for Deer Island, the big island in Newcomb Lake where the remains may have been found....this is usually a peninsula. If you walk the North Shore tote road, the land connection is very visible. In heavy rain it's an Island.

If Douglas died there, then the searchers who looked on the Island (I believe most days it was searched), not only missed his remains, but the smell his decaying body as well. That does not make sense to me.

The Post Standard does discuss an event I consider ominous. Three days into the search, a search team believed they had found Douglas' footprints by Black Pond, in the hills just north of Newcomb Lake. They were on what they believed to be a clear track when there was a cloud burst, and they lost it. And there were also a lot of very cold nights at this time, with the temperatures falling to below freezing in mid July.

That spells out Douglas' fate pretty tragically. It does leave room for some pretty wild theories. But again, the reason for these theories come from the fact that one moment you're bushwacking through impossibly thick woods, and the next you stumble across an old road that someone knows well.

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Thanks for the info. Mavs. This story is a real haunter. Also, interesting info. on the lost hiker. There has gotta be a record out there of deaths and (still) unexplained disappearances in the Adirondacks. If anyone has any idea if and where a source like this exists, let me know. I think it is more than worth a hiker's time to read up on tragedies like this. It really makes one realize what they risk when traversing dangerous terrain.

As far as Douglas Legg, a couple of guys I have talked to who helped in the search are convinced it was foul play by a family member, but they never had the proof to pin it on the individual. Now that is totally hearsay, but that's what i've been told.
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Gray Ghost I'm not good at attachments BUT if you could give me your email address in a PM, I will send you the Newspaper Article I found on Douglas Legg that was in the July 7, 1991 paper. Then you can do an attachment and put it on this thread. I know how to email attachments but not from this Forum.
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Gray Ghost I'm not good at attachments BUT if you could give me your email address in a PM, I will send you the Newspaper Article I found on Douglas Legg that was in the July 7, 1991 paper. Then you can do an attachment and put it on this thread. I know how to email attachments but not from this Forum.
Marta, you have my email addy. Send it to me and I'll attach it to the thread.

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Marta, you have my email addy. Send it to me and I'll attach it to the thread.

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Redhawk, Could you please tell me "how you do that," change the format of the articles into Windows Picture and Fax Viewer? Thank You.
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Old 01-06-2008, 10:14 AM   #71
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There is a book coming out this spring that details most if not all of the interesting rescues and searches in the Adirondacks. It's called "At the Mercy of the Mountains" by Peter Bronski. Here is a link to his web site.
http://www.peterbronski.com/Writing/...Mountains.html
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There is a book coming out this spring that details most if not all of the interesting rescues and searches in the Adirondacks. It's called "At the Mercy of the Mountains" by Peter Bronski. Here is a link to his web site.
http://www.peterbronski.com/Writing/...Mountains.html
Thanks Tony. This sounds like a book I would love to get and will, for sure!
Well I just ordered and reserved my copy from Amazon. The preview of the book sounds very interesting. SAD but interesting.
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Redhawk, Could you please tell me "how you do that," change the format of the articles into Windows Picture and Fax Viewer? Thank You.
I didn't do that. All I did was upload the scans you sent me, which are in .jpg format (A graphic compression format). to my hosting server and then posted a link to them. Your windows picture and fax viewer must be the default program for you to view .jpg files so when you click on the .jpg, it opens the picture and fax viewer.

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There is a book coming out this spring that details most if not all of the interesting rescues and searches in the Adirondacks. It's called "At the Mercy of the Mountains" by Peter Bronski. Here is a link to his web site.
http://www.peterbronski.com/Writing/...Mountains.html
Excellent! Now I don't have to worry about writing one. The sudden return of winter to the month of December has me working on something else right now. (Of course right now we're in the midst of a January thaw, but it's only supposed to last through tomorrow.)

I would have loved to do it, but I just have not had the opportunity to get back to NYS to do any research. As always, I would like to come east for the Backcountry Skiing Festival in Keene Valley, but I doubt that'll happen.

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I didn't do that. All I did was upload the scans you sent me, which are in .jpg format (A graphic compression format). to my hosting server and then posted a link to them. Your windows picture and fax viewer must be the default program for you to view .jpg files so when you click on the .jpg, it opens the picture and fax viewer.

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As far as Douglas Legg, a couple of guys I have talked to who helped in the search are convinced it was foul play by a family member, but they never had the proof to pin it on the individual. Now that is totally hearsay, but that's what i've been told.
Gray Ghost I suspect foul play too. It seems awfully suspicious to me that not a trace of physical evidence was ever found during the initial search. In fact I believe one of the Forest Rangers mentioned that. I also find it hard to believe that an eight year old does not scream his head off as nighttime approaches.
It seems obvious that whatever happened to him occurred quickly. There are only three other scenarios.

1. Douglas got stuck in the quicksand like mud of Lower Duckhole (this is what Art Tumlins thought).
2. A large animal got him.
3. He was kidnapped by a passerby.

Number one doesn't sound likely since it takes time to be sucked down and no one heard anything (both the Uncle, brother and cousin were within the area.

Number two also sounds to me like well "number two" since animal attacks are extremely rare and besides no bones were found.

Number three is possible but not likely given that the camp is 4.5 miles from the hard road and anyone driving in surely knew of the odds of getting spotted in daylight.

I initially got interested in this tragedy when I read about it in the Camp Santanoni book. I read it to my daughter as a way of putting the fear of getting lost in the woods (our camp is only 5 miles from Newcomb). After telling my daughter what I thought she asked me why the body was not discovered. I replied that it said that a car was driven to the town hall to make the phone call to the State Police. The body could have been placed in the trunk and disposed of off the property. I realize that this is gross speculation since I cannot find out who exactly drove to Newcomb to call for help but it is way to explain why no body was ever discovered.
All I know is that if it were my kid I would never have given up. It also strikes me as odd that no subsequent search was ever done by the family to recover the bones.
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Gray Ghost I suspect foul play too. It seems obvious that whatever happened to him occurred quickly. There are only three other scenarios.
1. Douglas got stuck in the quicksand like mud of Lower Duckhole (this is what Art Tumlins thought).

All I know is that if it were my kid I would never have given up. It also strikes me as odd that no subsequent search was ever done by the family to recover the bones.
It is also very similar to what Jim Suffolk, the senior NYSP bloodhound handler on the search believed. The initial trails that the SP hounds ran all went to the bog. Theory; The boy tried to shortcut across the bog and made it only so far before going under.

Nothing really supports foul play or kidnapping, having been part of it all back then. There were all sorts of possibilities discussed, often with the family. There were thousands of tips followed up. Everything from Alien Abduction and Adirondack Sasquatch to he ran away with "hippies" in the area. (Squatters were quite common in Adk. camps and cabins at the time.) The mountains are no place for amateurs. Some amateurs don't know that. Mother Nature doesn't play favorites. I think someplace out there in the Santanoi bog, Dougie is still there.

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It is also very similar to what Jim Suffolk, the senior NYSP bloodhound handler on the search believed. The initial trails that the SP hounds ran all went to the bog. Theory; The boy tried to shortcut across the bog and made it only so far before going under.

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According to the book I read the "bog" was right near where Douglas and his brother and cousin were playing. I could be wrong but my impression was that the "quicksand" was beneath the waters of Lower Duck Hole. I've canoed it. It was said that you could stick you paddle into the bottom and it would go down all the way. Unless there was an unusual dry period I doubt anyone could wade across it. Of course we are talking about an 8 year old so who knows. Again, I'll say that both the uncle and Douglas's brother and cousin were outside in the area and could of heard a shout if one was given.

What I find frustrating is the lack of information. I checked the Long Lake library and there was no reference to the tragedy. This summer I'll take a look in the Newcomb Historical Society building.
I would love to get my hands on the Trooper case file but I believe it is still an open case and I'm not sure if it is Foilable. I'm sure it would clear up some of my suspicions.
Anyway, I think I heard that this is the longest missing hiker case in New York. It is a real shame and a terrible way to die. I never travel anywhere without my GPS and a compass plus a space blanket. I too got lost when I was about his age and its stuck with me for 45 years. As soon as I realized I was lost I yelled as loudly as I could until my father came and got me. This is why I find it puzzling that nary a peep was heard.
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I've been really busy and I don't get to pop onto the forum much anymore, but I'm glad to see this thread is back. I'll read the article soon and thanks for posting Sky and Hawk.
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Hawk, I can't access the article. Can you repost please?
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