More forest rangers

Jsullivan524 · 11-20-2017, 06:10 PM

I am not sure if I can post this on here.

I have talked to few forest rangers and they want everyone contact the governor and tell them to add additional forest rangers in ADK. here is news article about a town speaking up to add more forest rangers.

http://www.adirondackdailyenterprise...ranger-hiring/

You can send a letter through a website.

https://james-sullivan.rallycongress...s/connect-946-

Terasec · 11-20-2017, 06:17 PM

Hmm
Senators dont write the budget
State assembly does

Jsullivan524 · 11-20-2017, 06:34 PM

According to the senate website they talk about the budget

https://www.nysenate.gov/issues/budget

Jsullivan524 · 11-20-2017, 06:40 PM

According to NYS Senate they have some say about the budget https://www.nysenate.gov/issues/budget

TCD · 11-20-2017, 10:01 PM

Letters sent. Thanks, Jim, for providing the platform to write.

I think it's worthwhile to write, even though the rank and file Senators and Assemblymen have little influence.

The budget is not written by the Senate. And it is not written by the Assembly. It is written by "three men in a room" - The Governor, the Assembly Majority Leader, and the Senate Majority Leader. Then it's simply given to the rank and file, and they are told to vote for it.

JohnnyVirgil · 11-20-2017, 10:58 PM

done.

Hear the Footsteps · 11-23-2017, 11:00 AM

Jackson · 11-28-2017, 11:19 AM

I called Elise Stefanik and the governor and yelled at their staff pretty badly.

Buckladd · 11-28-2017, 03:27 PM

Good luck with that. The trend is downward for both ECOs and Forest Rangers. There is a fraction of what there used to be. The major cost isn't salary, it's benefits.

Meanwhile, ECOs are picking up garbage in NYC (Gov's order) right in the middle of deer season when they're needed the most. So, you know where the priorities lie with this state.

JohnnyVirgil · 11-28-2017, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckladd

Meanwhile, ECOs are picking up garbage in NYC (Gov's order) right in the middle of deer season when they're needed the most.

Seriously? When and why did this come about?

Jsullivan524 · 12-22-2017, 03:23 AM

When the governor sends a team of forest rangers out of the state it puts lack of resources for here at home, while there is team of forest rangers out west and same time there is missing hiker there would be less forest rangers helping find the missing hiker.

Someone told me Warren County had 9 forest rangers back in the 80's when there was less land, today they only have about 5 forest rangers and more land the DEC brought.

TCD · 12-23-2017, 09:47 PM

That's correct. Statewide, Rangers per acre of State Land is down 50% from 1970.

Jsullivan524 · 12-23-2017, 09:56 PM

I would like to say thank you everyone for signing the petition and happy holidays.

DuctTape · 12-24-2017, 12:25 PM

I meet regularly with my Senator and Assemblyman. I brought this up last week when I met with them. My assemblyman is a retired trooper, so he understood.

bridgeman · 12-27-2017, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCD

Letters sent. Thanks, Jim, for providing the platform to write.

I think it's worthwhile to write, even though the rank and file Senators and Assemblymen have little influence.

The budget is not written by the Senate. And it is not written by the Assembly. It is written by "three men in a room" - The Governor, the Assembly Majority Leader, and the Senate Majority Leader. Then it's simply given to the rank and file, and they are told to vote for it.

I was invited to sit on a government committee that was to decide how funds were to be distributed for various projects. I was pretty much told which projects were approved and how to vote, just as you say.

adkman12986 · 12-28-2017, 08:13 AM

Why not start using a permit system for parking, hiking etc. The income would help pay to hire more of the rangers. Also start charging for the rescue of lost /unprepared people. Every time they go out to rescue someone the cost is amazing. Hiking insurance would be fairly inexpensive. Hike the White Mts. in NH and it is required.

adkman12986 · 12-28-2017, 08:13 AM

http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/safe/

wiiawiwb · 12-31-2017, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adkman12986

Why not start using a permit system for parking, hiking etc. The income would help pay to hire more of the rangers. Also start charging for the rescue of lost /unprepared people. Every time they go out to rescue someone the cost is amazing. Hiking insurance would be fairly inexpensive. Hike the White Mts. in NH and it is required.

The solution is always more financial burden on the average Joe. How about renegotiating the lucrative benefits packages of the rangers?

Terasec · 12-31-2017, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adkman12986

Why not start using a permit system for parking, hiking etc. The income would help pay to hire more of the rangers. Also start charging for the rescue of lost /unprepared people. Every time they go out to rescue someone the cost is amazing. Hiking insurance would be fairly inexpensive. Hike the White Mts. in NH and it is required.

One of the things i like about ny is easy access to outdoors
Very few permits/fees compared to other states
I wouldnt get out any where near as much as i do if i had to worry about permits every time i wanted to go out
Pa has strict permit requirements i rather drive 4-5 hrs to ny than deal with pa permits
You mention primitive camping to a pa ranger and they are ready to arrest you

adkman12986 · 01-01-2018, 08:30 AM

Everybody always wants something for nothing I guess

11-20-2017, 06:10 PM	#1
Jsullivan524 James Sullivan Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Lower Hudson Valley Posts: 28	More forest rangers I am not sure if I can post this on here. I have talked to few forest rangers and they want everyone contact the governor and tell them to add additional forest rangers in ADK. here is news article about a town speaking up to add more forest rangers. http://www.adirondackdailyenterprise...ranger-hiring/ You can send a letter through a website. https://james-sullivan.rallycongress...s/connect-946- __________________ James Sullivan President Morgan Duke Conservation Society Website: www.morganduke.ngo Volunteer Steward for Hudson River Special Management Area/ Lake George Wild Forest (AKA Buttermilk and the bear slides) 71,133 acres of State Forest Preserve lands in the southeastern Adirondacks Last edited by Jsullivan524; 11-20-2017 at 06:38 PM..

11-20-2017, 06:34 PM	#3
Jsullivan524 James Sullivan Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Lower Hudson Valley Posts: 28	According to the senate website they talk about the budget https://www.nysenate.gov/issues/budget __________________ James Sullivan President Morgan Duke Conservation Society Website: www.morganduke.ngo Volunteer Steward for Hudson River Special Management Area/ Lake George Wild Forest (AKA Buttermilk and the bear slides) 71,133 acres of State Forest Preserve lands in the southeastern Adirondacks

11-20-2017, 06:40 PM	#4
Jsullivan524 James Sullivan Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Lower Hudson Valley Posts: 28	According to NYS Senate they have some say about the budget https://www.nysenate.gov/issues/budget __________________ James Sullivan President Morgan Duke Conservation Society Website: www.morganduke.ngo Volunteer Steward for Hudson River Special Management Area/ Lake George Wild Forest (AKA Buttermilk and the bear slides) 71,133 acres of State Forest Preserve lands in the southeastern Adirondacks

11-23-2017, 11:00 AM	#7
Hear the Footsteps Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Saratoga County, NY Posts: 167	Done

11-28-2017, 03:27 PM	#9
Buckladd Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hogtown Posts: 969	Good luck with that. The trend is downward for both ECOs and Forest Rangers. There is a fraction of what there used to be. The major cost isn't salary, it's benefits. Meanwhile, ECOs are picking up garbage in NYC (Gov's order) right in the middle of deer season when they're needed the most. So, you know where the priorities lie with this state. __________________ Life's short, hunt hard!

11-20-2017, 06:17 PM	#2
Terasec Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 142	Hmm Senators dont write the budget State assembly does

11-20-2017, 10:01 PM	#5
TCD Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,695	Letters sent. Thanks, Jim, for providing the platform to write. I think it's worthwhile to write, even though the rank and file Senators and Assemblymen have little influence. The budget is not written by the Senate. And it is not written by the Assembly. It is written by "three men in a room" - The Governor, the Assembly Majority Leader, and the Senate Majority Leader. Then it's simply given to the rank and file, and they are told to vote for it.

11-20-2017, 10:58 PM	#6
JohnnyVirgil Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Porter Corners, NY Posts: 794	done.

11-28-2017, 11:19 AM	#8
Jackson Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 186	I called Elise Stefanik and the governor and yelled at their staff pretty badly.

12-22-2017, 03:23 AM	#11
Jsullivan524 James Sullivan Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Lower Hudson Valley Posts: 28	When the governor sends a team of forest rangers out of the state it puts lack of resources for here at home, while there is team of forest rangers out west and same time there is missing hiker there would be less forest rangers helping find the missing hiker. Someone told me Warren County had 9 forest rangers back in the 80's when there was less land, today they only have about 5 forest rangers and more land the DEC brought. __________________ James Sullivan President Morgan Duke Conservation Society Website: www.morganduke.ngo Volunteer Steward for Hudson River Special Management Area/ Lake George Wild Forest (AKA Buttermilk and the bear slides) 71,133 acres of State Forest Preserve lands in the southeastern Adirondacks

12-23-2017, 09:47 PM	#12
TCD Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,695	That's correct. Statewide, Rangers per acre of State Land is down 50% from 1970.

12-23-2017, 09:56 PM	#13
Jsullivan524 James Sullivan Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Lower Hudson Valley Posts: 28	I would like to say thank you everyone for signing the petition and happy holidays. __________________ James Sullivan President Morgan Duke Conservation Society Website: www.morganduke.ngo Volunteer Steward for Hudson River Special Management Area/ Lake George Wild Forest (AKA Buttermilk and the bear slides) 71,133 acres of State Forest Preserve lands in the southeastern Adirondacks

12-24-2017, 12:25 PM	#14
DuctTape Out of Shape Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 1,756	I meet regularly with my Senator and Assemblyman. I brought this up last week when I met with them. My assemblyman is a retired trooper, so he understood. __________________ "There's a whisper on the night-wind, there's a star agleam to guide us, And the Wild is calling, calling . . . let us go." -from "The Call of the Wild" by Robert Service My trail journal: DuctTape's Journal

12-28-2017, 08:13 AM	#16
adkman12986 Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Tupper Lake Posts: 817	Why not start using a permit system for parking, hiking etc. The income would help pay to hire more of the rangers. Also start charging for the rescue of lost /unprepared people. Every time they go out to rescue someone the cost is amazing. Hiking insurance would be fairly inexpensive. Hike the White Mts. in NH and it is required.

01-01-2018, 08:30 AM	#20
adkman12986 Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Tupper Lake Posts: 817	Everybody always wants something for nothing I guess

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