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Old 08-23-2018, 09:27 PM   #1
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Stay off the road

Seriously. Way to many close calls this summer around blind corners. Kindly stay on the shoulder before you really hurt or kill someone trying to avoid you. Thanks. My heart jumped hard for my kid today and i've bit my tongue for too long. Please use your head.
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Old 08-23-2018, 09:30 PM   #2
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obviously not directed at the whole community, but for those who think this is ok. It's not.
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Old 08-24-2018, 10:16 AM   #3
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Nearly hit someone last week DOT needs to place warning signs about the trail heads and people need to use caution when walking out from between cars parked on the roadsides
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Old 08-24-2018, 12:15 PM   #4
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So true- its kinda sad that squirrels have more sense than a lot of people on roadways.
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Old 08-30-2018, 09:05 AM   #5
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So true- its kinda sad that squirrels have more sense than a lot of people on roadways.
Like humans who operate motor vehicles?
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Old 08-30-2018, 12:27 PM   #6
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Nearly hit someone last week DOT needs to place warning signs about the trail heads and people need to use caution when walking out from between cars parked on the roadsides
You will definitely want to be on your toes if you drive through Old Forge or Inlet!
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Old 08-29-2018, 09:52 PM   #7
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Maybe you should review traffic law that applies to bicyclists...we can use the road.
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Old 08-29-2018, 10:31 PM   #8
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Maybe you should review traffic law that applies to bicyclists...we can use the road.
I might be wrong, but I think heís referring to oblivious pedestrians...
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Old 08-30-2018, 08:09 AM   #9
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Maybe you should review traffic law that applies to bicyclists...we can use the road.
Maybe a little common courtesy on both parts would work.
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Old 08-30-2018, 09:04 AM   #10
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Seriously. Way to many close calls this summer around blind corners. Kindly stay on the shoulder before you really hurt or kill someone trying to avoid you. Thanks. My heart jumped hard for my kid today and i've bit my tongue for too long. Please use your head.
If you might hit something in the road when negotiating a Ďblindí corner you are driving too fast for conditions. Could be a moose, broken down car, fallen tree, trooper, or cyclists.

Itís ok to slow down - itís the best thing you could do for your kid and for you and for your fellow road users - far more effective than concern trolling a forum. You donít need to drive at the limit - the speed limit is just that - a limit, not a mandate.
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Old 08-30-2018, 03:46 PM   #11
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If you might hit something in the road when negotiating a Ďblindí corner you are driving too fast for conditions. Could be a moose, broken down car, fallen tree, trooper, or cyclists.

Itís ok to slow down - itís the best thing you could do for your kid and for you and for your fellow road users - far more effective than concern trolling a forum. You donít need to drive at the limit - the speed limit is just that - a limit, not a mandate.
Thank you bmike-vt, what you said is perfect. I have not taken a defensive driving class but I have always had the impression that one of the first principles is to be able to stop in the road you can see in front of you. My understanding is that bicycles are supposed to follow the FRAP(Far Right As Practical) rule, and I do when I'm riding but some roads don't have paved shoulders and that puts you in the travel lane. My canoe trailer is nearly 4 feet wide, so that puts it partly in the travel lane on most secondary roads, even if they have a shoulder of some kind. Around here we have had lots of Amish buggies since about 10 years ago, and that does seem to help people to learn to expect that there may be slower moving things in the road that they will have to watch for.
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Old 08-30-2018, 10:09 AM   #12
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bmike-vt - wow, you've posted almost verbatim what I was going to post (the bit about slowing down, sorry I can't quote behind proxy).
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Old 08-30-2018, 05:18 PM   #13
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AHahahaha! Cyclists running cars off the road!

Only on the internet.
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Old 08-30-2018, 09:22 PM   #14
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Who said off the road? and trolling? When there are 5 bikes in the road and i am driving the speed limit coming around a sharp left curve in the road and an oncoming tractor trailer is a foot away from me as i avoid you, that is trolling?
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Old 08-30-2018, 09:30 PM   #15
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i would like it if certain people would exercise common sense thats all. Maybe these incidents were too isolated to convey frustration on an internet forum.
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Old 08-30-2018, 09:38 PM   #16
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i would like it if certain people would exercise common sense thats all. Maybe these incidents were too isolated to convey frustration on an internet forum.
Drivers.... could use some common sense too. Especially ones that might be coming around a curve that they canít see around...

Instead of passing cyclists on a curve you could wait for a view of the road ahead, to see that it is safe to proceed, and then do so.

No one is forcing you to pass right at that moment. Pass when safe to do so, no matter how many cyclists were riding in a group - because if it was a tractor, buggy, trooper, ambulance, etc - I doubt you would be on a forum complaining about it.
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Old 08-30-2018, 09:49 PM   #17
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Who said off the road? and trolling? When there are 5 bikes in the road and i am driving the speed limit coming around a sharp left curve in the road and an oncoming tractor trailer is a foot away from me as i avoid you, that is trolling?
It sounds like unsafe operation to me. Slow down, pass when it is safe to do so.
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Who said off the road? and trolling? When there are 5 bikes in the road and i am driving the speed limit coming around a sharp left curve in the road and an oncoming tractor trailer is a foot away from me as i avoid you, that is trolling?
I think I misunderstood your original post. If your kid was in your car with you when your heart jumped then the threat to your child's safety is not bicyclists, it is your driving skills and habits.
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Old 08-31-2018, 10:22 AM   #19
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I'll agree that BOTH cyclists and motorists need to slow down and drive more carefully and with common sense. I always give wide berths to cyclists,,,, but..one thing that a lot of cyclists do- and it is dangerous- is they don't ride single file, they ride alongside one another. If they could stop doing that and ride single file- it was make things safer.......

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I'll agree that BOTH cyclists and motorists need to slow down and drive more carefully and with common sense. I always give wide berths to cyclists,,,, but..one thing that a lot of cyclists do- and it is dangerous- is they don't ride single file, they ride alongside one another. If they could stop doing that and ride single file- it was make things safer.......

Sometimes riding 2 up is safer, forcing a driver to actually pass with care, and itís actually easier - as the cyclists riding 2-3 across take up the same width as a slow moving vehicle (tractor, buggy, etc). When riding in a long line drivers attempt to pass by Ďsneakingí by, then hammering the gas when they see another vehicle coming. A long line takes longer to pass, even though they are all tucked to the side. As a driver and cyclist Iíd rather wait behind a small group taking up the same space as a car, than have to deal with a long line.

Iíll agree with you that cyclists can slow down when they evolve to go from 0-50 with the tap of a foot. Otherwise the amount of bad driving dwarfs the amount of bad cycling on any given day - but bias being a driver often blinds us to the unsafe and annoying behavior that happens behind the wheel.
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