Adirondack Forum  
Rules Membership Donations and Online Store Adkhighpeaks Foundation ADKhighpeaks Forums ADKhighpeaks Wiki Disclaimer

Go Back   Adirondack Forum > The Adirondack Forum > Adirondack Wildlife
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 05-03-2016, 11:17 AM   #61
St.Regis
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,293
WOW!! It sure has been a while Connie Bear Orion! How have you been?
St.Regis is offline  
Old 07-07-2016, 05:43 PM   #62
jwild
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 4
I was speaking with a sheep farmer in East Hebron, NY. She saw a lion about a week ago near the side of the road. She told me she has seen bobcats many times in her life and there was no mistaking that this was in fact a lion. What she told me was confirmed by other farmers in the area who saw it as well. Obviously, take second hand information for what it is, but I would want to trust someone who is concerned about the livelihood of her sheep...
jwild is offline  
Old 07-07-2016, 07:21 PM   #63
Blackhawk
Member
 
Blackhawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 173
Quote:
Originally Posted by jwild View Post
I was speaking with a sheep farmer in East Hebron, NY. She saw a lion about a week ago near the side of the road. She told me she has seen bobcats many times in her life and there was no mistaking that this was in fact a lion. What she told me was confirmed by other farmers in the area who saw it as well. Obviously, take second hand information for what it is, but I would want to trust someone who is concerned about the livelihood of her sheep...
statistically, the only thing sheep, other livestock, pets, dogs and housecats in nys and the rest of the country worry about are homo sapiens a.

some folks even worry about their dogs, cats and other pets being taken by mountain lions, wolves, coyotes and wild canid hybrids when statistically homo sapiens a. euthanizes (millions) more pets each year than all large carnivores combined ever will.
, blackhawk
__________________
Give a man/woman or child a fish or meat and feed them for a day. Teach them how to fish or hunt and feed them for a lifetime - and they'll never forget you.

My photos cannot be used without my written permission.
Blackhawk is offline  
Old 07-07-2016, 10:54 PM   #64
wiiawiwb
Member
 
wiiawiwb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 571
Just curious....what does putting my suffering and cancer-ridden dog to sleep have to do with a farmer concerned about a mountain lion stalking his sheep in Hebron?
wiiawiwb is offline  
Old 07-23-2016, 05:35 PM   #65
mgc
Member
 
mgc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 279
I hate to engage in this topic since I do not have photographs to prove what I have seen. That said, as someone who has seen them in NYS, I fell obligated to continue reporting this until there is other confirmation.
I know what I have seen, I am regarded as credible in all of my dealings. I am versed in all North American mammals and I have seen these animals both in captivity and in the wild.
A number of years ago while I was driving on route 88 I saw a cougar sitting on a rock cut East of Schenevus. There were other sightings reported in that general area for several years after I saw it. I am 100% positive about what I saw.

More recently I saw a black cat on the West side of Rochester. I watched it with binoculars from 120 yards away. There was another person that saw it. He is equally credible. He was the first person to spot it. It walked into the woods while he as trying to get a camera to take pictures of it. I was not able to find any tracks where it had walked.
I reported both cats to the DEC with the expected results. With the recent sighting I contacted each local game farm and zoo to learn if they were aware of anyone who had lost and reported a cat or if they were aware of anyone that was in possession of one in a private collection. They were not aware of one and neither was the DEC.

I know that every time I join one of these conversations and report what I saw that I damage my credibility. However, I know what I saw and as previously noted, I am 100% certain of it.

Yes, I am able to identify bobcats, house cats, coyotes, weasels and woodchucks.

However you choose to side on this and whether or not you choose to believe that cougars do or do not pass through our state, they do.....I am not convinced that they breed here but these critters can and do wander far and wide. There is nothing that could prevent them from being here....
mgc is offline  
Old 07-24-2016, 12:31 AM   #66
Schultzz
Low Impact Skidder
 
Schultzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 682
"I know that every time I join one of these conversations and report what I saw that I damage my credibility. However, I know what I saw and as previously noted, I am 100% certain of it."

I wouldn't worry about damaging your credibility. I believe you. Wolves or Cougars or Sasquatch or even Glen could be seen in the Addacks. Just because the state or others do not give credence to these sightings does not mean that they may not exist whether passing through or thriving in. Could be Glen in a Sasquatch suit carrying his "over the limit" catch back to Long Island.

But seriously, just about anything is possible whether it is probable or not. Thanks for your post.
__________________
Never Argue With An Idiot. They Will Drag You Down To Their Level And Beat You With Experience.
Schultzz is offline  
Old 07-24-2016, 10:26 AM   #67
Fisheater
Member
 
Fisheater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Land of Lakes, Headwaters of Three Rivers, MI
Posts: 42
We in Michigan are having cougar expand into our state. I have heard reports of sighting for quite some time, but now the state is acknowledging that there are cougars here.
http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,4570,7...3232--,00.html

Here is a recent game camera photo, that the MDNR apparently has acknowledged as legitimate.
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapi...nt_photos.html

I am sure as the population expands, management will be very contentious. Most Upper Peninsula residents are in favor of managing the wolf population. Wolves were delisted in Michigan, and the DNR by law was required to have a hunting season based upon their own scientific management population models. The hunting season was not successful in reaching the desired take of wolves from selected management areas. Then groups that were opposed to wolf population control found a receptive federal judge in Ohio to to rule that the delisting of the wolf from endangered was improper, based on the fact there was no wolf population in southern Michigan. I wish I was lying, but that is the absurdity of endangered species game management.

I would think that cougars will eventually expand into NYS. I think it is best for the game managers to deny their existence as long as possible. The unofficial things I read about cougars in Michigan include reports of females with kittens. I hope my state continues to call the population transient, until it is well established. Just my opinion, but I believe there are a majority of people in this country that have formed their wildlife management opinions watching Walt Disney cartoons!
Fisheater is offline  
Old 07-24-2016, 09:10 PM   #68
jmg343
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 36
I got one on trail cam yesterday. Just tried to post the pic in the other mtn lion thread. I dont think it worked.
jmg343 is offline  
Old 07-24-2016, 10:04 PM   #69
adk
Adirondack Forest
 
adk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 331
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmg343 View Post
I got one on trail cam yesterday. Just tried to post the pic in the other mtn lion thread. I dont think it worked.
Would love to see the image please repost if you can...
__________________
The more wilderness in the Adirondacks, the better.
adk is offline  
Old 07-24-2016, 10:29 PM   #70
adk
Adirondack Forest
 
adk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 331
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman View Post
That is not even close. At least there were substantial bear populations nearby. The closest known cougar population almost 1000 miles away. You'd have a far better chance seeing a real wolf in the ADKS than a cougar.

I think sightings are mistakes or captive animals. There are hundreds of illegally held Cougars in North America.

I also don't think there were ever that many in the ADKS. When you look at the bounties paid out by the state the number is surprisingly low.
Worth noting; predator populations are "always" small as compared to their prey (think sharks and prey fish). That being said male cougars which disperse to avoid other cougars territory have a range from 50 to 150 sq miles. If you average 100miles per cougar that's 90 (males) for 9000 sq miles. When you look at the amount of bounties paid (as disgusting as that insane bounty was) it points to the population size being about right as compared to the size of the park. Before non indigenous people showed up I would guess there was exactly the right amount of cougars as the terrain naturally had carrying capacity to support. Assuming the Puma population was small (after they were intentionally destroyed) is a tough sell IMO...
__________________
The more wilderness in the Adirondacks, the better.
adk is offline  
Old 07-24-2016, 11:38 PM   #71
wiiawiwb
Member
 
wiiawiwb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 571
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fisheater View Post
I would think that cougars will eventually expand into NYS. I think it is best for the game managers to deny their existence as long as possible. The unofficial things I read about cougars in Michigan include reports of females with kittens. I hope my state continues to call the population transient, until it is well established. Just my opinion, but I believe there are a majority of people in this country that have formed their wildlife management opinions watching Walt Disney cartoons!
I don't subscribe to the notion that the best course of action for any State department is to purposely lie to the taxpayers of a state and mislead them. Ignorance is bliss; people can't handle the truth.

If cougars exist, then deal with the issue in a straightforward manner.
wiiawiwb is offline  
Old 07-25-2016, 08:50 AM   #72
jmg343
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 36
2nd try

trail cam pic of mtn. lion. If this doesnt work and someone wants to PM me their email address, I will send them the pic and they can post it.

I dont know why it wont post. Ive posted pics on several other forums and never had an issue.

Its a .jpg (157 Bytes) and appears to be uploading successfully. But, then, doesn't appear. What gives?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg mtnlion.jpg (157 Bytes, 79 views)
jmg343 is offline  
Old 07-25-2016, 09:03 AM   #73
shawil527
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12
Where in Rochester? I live in Monroe County...I heard on the police scanner that a very large black cat described as a puma was spotted in Gennesee Valley Park
shawil527 is offline  
Old 07-25-2016, 09:40 AM   #74
bioguide
Member
 
bioguide's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Niskayuna, NY
Posts: 364
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmg343 View Post
trail cam pic of mtn. lion. If this doesnt work and someone wants to PM me their email address, I will send them the pic and they can post it.

I dont know why it wont post. Ive posted pics on several other forums and never had an issue.

Its a .jpg (157 Bytes) and appears to be uploading successfully. But, then, doesn't appear. What gives?
PM sent...
__________________
My YouTube channel
bioguide is offline  
Old 07-25-2016, 09:55 AM   #75
mgc
Member
 
mgc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 279
Quote:
Originally Posted by shawil527 View Post
Where in Rochester? I live in Monroe County...I heard on the police scanner that a very large black cat described as a puma was spotted in Gennesee Valley Park
On Paragon Drive off of Shepard Road on the West side. The cat appeared in a field behind Superior Tech., wallked along the top of a drain to the SE, turned briefly towards the Hover-Davis building and then crossed into the narrow stretch of woods adjacent to 531. We lost sight of it after it went through the fence.

Last edited by mgc; 07-25-2016 at 09:56 AM.. Reason: two f's in off
mgc is offline  
Old 07-25-2016, 10:54 AM   #76
jmg343
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 36
Quote:
Originally Posted by bioguide View Post
PM sent...
just emailed you the pic
jmg343 is offline  
Old 07-25-2016, 11:15 AM   #77
bioguide
Member
 
bioguide's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Niskayuna, NY
Posts: 364
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmg343 View Post
just emailed you the pic
Pic posted on behalf of jmg343:

__________________
My YouTube channel
bioguide is offline  
Old 07-25-2016, 02:28 PM   #78
Blackhawk
Member
 
Blackhawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 173
Quote:
Originally Posted by mgc View Post
On Paragon Drive off of Shepard Road on the West side. The cat appeared in a field behind Superior Tech., wallked along the top of a drain to the SE, turned briefly towards the Hover-Davis building and then crossed into the narrow stretch of woods adjacent to 531. We lost sight of it after it went through the fence.
I'll never forget a news report and video about a cop (in his own words) on night patrol who thought he saw a black panther in a field edge where his headlights were shining. he shot and killed the 'black panther' with his rifle. it turned out to be a black housecat and this made the internet news.

in another case I viewed a pic of a hunter with a dead gray fox (about the size of a housecat) in the foreground who the hunter said was an eastern coyote (aka coywolf).

I believe anything's possible when it comes to unusual wildlife appearing where they've been extirpated for many years or where they've never naturally lived as in exotics.

still, i'm interested in any reports of unusual wildlife siting's especially if a good photo is available.
__________________
Give a man/woman or child a fish or meat and feed them for a day. Teach them how to fish or hunt and feed them for a lifetime - and they'll never forget you.

My photos cannot be used without my written permission.
Blackhawk is offline  
Old 07-25-2016, 03:38 PM   #79
Blackhawk
Member
 
Blackhawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 173
Quote:
Originally Posted by bioguide View Post
Pic posted on behalf of jmg343:

please post a better pic if one is available. imho it looks like a bobcat.
__________________
Give a man/woman or child a fish or meat and feed them for a day. Teach them how to fish or hunt and feed them for a lifetime - and they'll never forget you.

My photos cannot be used without my written permission.
Blackhawk is offline  
Old 07-25-2016, 04:33 PM   #80
bioguide
Member
 
bioguide's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Niskayuna, NY
Posts: 364
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackhawk View Post
please post a better pic if one is available. imho it looks like a bobcat.
This is the original size I received from jmg343 but I've asked him to send the original. He said he would. I'm just waiting on it.
__________________
My YouTube channel
bioguide is offline  
Closed Thread


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:28 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

DISCLAIMER: Use of these forums, and information found herein, is at your own risk. Use of this site by members and non-members alike is only granted by the adkhighpeak.com administration provided the terms and conditions found in the FULL DISCLAIMER have been read. Continued use of this site implies that you have read, understood and agree to the terms and conditions of this site. Any questions can be directed to the Administrator of this site.