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Old 07-24-2018, 06:52 AM   #61
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This something that caught my eye as I read the blog post:

I find it hard to reconcile this with a 115 horse motor on a good-sized craft with two guys (author and friend) on board who most likely knew where to go.
It could of been something simple as a guy who didn't realize the gravity of the situation and didn't want to damage his new boat. Or, as wisely stated above, didn't want to add to the fubar scenario.
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Old 07-24-2018, 06:59 AM   #62
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Not to disagree but the weather forecast for that Friday night called for high winds & possible severe thunderstorms. It was the only reason I decided to wait until the next day. When I traveled up Crane Pond Road that following morning I expected to see several downed trees across the road. To my surprise there were none, but there were indeed lots of downed branches scattered along Alder Meadow Road.
Not to sound like a knucklehead but I prefer dramatic weather whilst in the wilds. The experience is generally unique and memorable. Of course I don't advocate this course of action to anyone, especially if others are involved.
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Old 07-24-2018, 07:30 AM   #63
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Not to sound like a knucklehead but I prefer dramatic weather whilst in the wilds. The experience is generally unique and memorable. Of course I don't advocate this course of action to anyone, especially if others are involved.
Agreed & same here. I’ve never been one to shy away from heavy down pours or big snowstorms or even an occasional thunderstorm, but ‘severe’ thunderstorms with heavy wind, frequent lightning, & falling trees is another story. If I remember correctly the weather radar for that night showed a huge front with lots of reds & purples moving east and extending from about Poughkeepsie all the up to Plattsburgh. No thanks!
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Old 07-24-2018, 07:54 AM   #64
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A canoe has a considerably shallower draft than a 23' vessel with a 115 hp outboard... (even if there are any navigational markers on Putnam Pond, it's doubtful they would be visible on a stormy night)
The first rule of a rescue effort is to avoid becoming / creating another victim, which would be the case if that boat ran aground in the dark (considering the operator in control was unfamiliar with the body of water).
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It could of been something simple as a guy who didn't realize the gravity of the situation and didn't want to damage his new boat. Or, as wisely stated above, didn't want to add to the fubar scenario.
Excellent points. Darkness, wind and waves, rain, unknown waters.
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Old 07-24-2018, 10:30 AM   #65
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Personally I found it poor form to write an embellished, first person account of someone's tragic death.
You might want to avoid the Gospel according to John, too, then.
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Old 07-24-2018, 01:11 PM   #66
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You might want to avoid the Gospel according to John, too, then.
Thanks but I am more comfortable following John’s Gospel than Lucky13’s.
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Old 07-24-2018, 03:26 PM   #67
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One thing I found a little strange is when the author mentions this quote...

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It was around 2:00 in the afternoon. We had some time to get our stuff situated, eat some food, and then go out fishing in the early evening.
...and then mentions this a couple paragraphs later:

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They were on a short backpacking trip, hiking in from one of the many trails in the wilderness area... It was 2:00; it seemed early to set up camp if you’re on a hiking trip. What do you do for the rest of the day?
Really?
There are lots of things one can do, especially in that area, fishing is only one of them. Or is that just a fisherman’s mentality...to do anything else other than fish is strange.
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Old 07-24-2018, 06:09 PM   #68
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Really?
There are lots of things one can do, especially in that area, fishing is only one of them. Or is that just a fisherman’s mentality...to do anything else other than fish is strange.
Yeah, me too...I'm a huge fan of getting to the campsite as early as possible and then just being a homebody the rest of the day. Fish, read in my hammock, gather firewood. Damn, now I want to be there instead of at my desk.
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Old 11-12-2018, 10:46 AM   #69
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I was at Rock Pond this weekend and walked passed the site...

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Old 11-12-2018, 04:27 PM   #70
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Would you say that toppled pine 'top' is about 20" diameter, around 40' long?
Pics can be quite deceiving..
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Old 11-12-2018, 05:30 PM   #71
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Would you say that toppled pine 'top' is about 20" diameter, around 40' long?
Pics can be quite deceiving..
More like 2 foot in diameter, and yeah about 30-40 feet long, which snapped off about 20 feet up the trunk. It’s kind of hard to see with the snow, but I could see where they tried to wedge a few 4-6” logs underneath. How horrific & incredibly sad! I didn’t stay long, I said a quick prayer for Lynn and moved on.

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Old 12-16-2018, 10:11 AM   #72
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•Program cell phones with the DEC Dispatch phone numbers, but do not rely on cell service in all areas.
◦Statewide: (518) 408-5850
◦Adirondacks: (518) 891-0235
If I have a satellite phone I should call DEC Dispatch phone numbers in case of emergency.

And what if I have a satellite communicator?
Is there a way to reach DEC Dispatch via e-mail or SMS?
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Old 12-16-2018, 06:31 PM   #73
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Thats a good question

I think you have to instruct the emergency service on the communicator to contact the NYSDEC instead of the local emergency services for that reason.
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Old 12-16-2018, 07:50 PM   #74
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Is there a way to reach DEC Dispatch via e-mail or SMS?
There's no public SMS / MMS or email dispatch system at DEC at the moment.
There is an initiative to modernize e911 dispatch system in NY state and that probably includes DEC. Last I heard, it's not going to happen any time soon (probably years away).

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And what if I have a satellite communicator?
Contact the service provider ans ask them, only they will know who their emergency contact is...
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Old 12-16-2018, 10:48 PM   #75
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I think you have to instruct the emergency service on the communicator to contact the NYSDEC instead of the local emergency services for that reason.
Thank you, I will instruct my wife and my son to dial DEC phone numbers in case of an emergency SMS/e-mail from me.

P.S. I assumed that I lived in the 21st century.
Apparently I was too optimistic.
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Old 12-17-2018, 11:14 AM   #76
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There's no public SMS / MMS or email dispatch system at DEC at the moment.
There is an initiative to modernize e911 dispatch system in NY state and that probably includes DEC. Last I heard, it's not going to happen any time soon (probably years away).
It's not available across all of NY state yet, but there are many counties that currently offer text-to-911 services. I live in Monroe County and they have had it since around 2014. Essex County in the Adirondacks has it as well. But as you said, no direct text to DEC (that I'm aware of).

Link to list of all text-to-911 ready counties
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Lots of useful, but disappointing information here.

Unrelated to this particular incident, the general lack of emergency contact systems in the Adirondacks is, and has been for a long time, a travesty. Remember the deaths of the elderly couple on the Northway some years ago as an example.

What's even more sad is that there is a considerable cadre of people who want to keep things this way, or even deteriorate the system further. These folks have blood on their hands.

As Yury said, this is the 21st century. Accidents will happen; there is zero reason that emergency contact systems should not be up to modern standards. And it's not a matter of money. As discussed on several threads, NY State blows huge amounts of money on all sorts of nonsense. Fixing the emergency contact system would be cheap by comparison.
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Old 12-17-2018, 02:46 PM   #78
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It's not available across all of NY state yet, but there are many counties that currently offer text-to-911 services. I live in Monroe County and they have had it since around 2014. Essex County in the Adirondacks has it as well. But as you said, no direct text to DEC (that I'm aware of).

Link to list of all text-to-911 ready counties
True, should have stated more clearly: not every part of NY is close to having that capability.
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As Yury said, this is the 21st century. Accidents will happen; there is zero reason that emergency contact systems should not be up to modern standards. And it's not a matter of money. As discussed on several threads, NY State blows huge amounts of money on all sorts of nonsense. Fixing the emergency contact system would be cheap by comparison.
Let's be thankful we don't have to carry a homing pigeon... (or use a land line hung from the trees) 911 system did not exist in 1920's.

Our state has very capable and agile first responders, be that state police, DEC or local volunteers. Yes it's not always most convenient to have to make a call, but at the moment that is how dispatch works.

Money is always part of the problem, but resources are a more pressing concern. Many country dispatch centres are struggling with finding and retaining dispatchers. Same goes for volunteer fire and ambulance companies in the state.

The new system needs to be both robust / user friendly and at the same time it needs to accurately direct "resources" to actual emergencies. It's not a "throw more money" at the problem to get a satisfactory solution situation.

The funding side of the problem is not simple, but the "911 surcharge" on your bill might not be making any improvements to the system either.
http://www.nysac.org/911funding
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Old 12-17-2018, 05:42 PM   #79
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I in no way suggested that the problem resides with individual responders. These people (Rangers, Cops, Rescue Squads, volunteers, etc.) are great, and they are doing the hard work. Please don't suggest that I disparage these folks in any way; I am one of them.

Initial fixes are easy:

1. Most everyone today relies on their smart phone to do everything, including scratch their a**. So fix number one, easy and obvious, is to make sure there is rock solid cell phone service everywhere, for all major providers. This can be done straightforwardly, but there is a cadre of people who have fought it tooth and nail, and they are to blame for this failure cause.

2. All 911 Dispatchers need to have mandatory training to recognize situations that should be routed to DEC Ranger Dispatch, and have immediate access to route those calls appropriately. This again is easy, but the State has no will to get it done, and the State is to blame for this.

Do those two things and you would improve the outcome for a large number of incidents.

The funding is a non-issue; liars and crooks are the issue. Doing these two things would cost pennies in a State budget of 163 Billion. And you are right; your 911 surcharge is just another tax, and goes into pockets in Albany.
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Old 12-17-2018, 07:16 PM   #80
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https://www.wmur.com/article/strande...-help/25591792
In New Hampshire when a hiker was stranded near Mt. Lafayette summit "NH 911 received a text from Cummings saying that he needed help".

So it seems that such technology already exists.
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