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Old 07-11-2016, 11:33 PM   #1
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Wanted - tandem canoe

Looking to buy a good used tandem - Kevlar or fiberglass preferred. Will also consider Royalex or Crosslink 3 (no cheap & heavy canoes such as Coleman or Pelican). Already checked Craigslist & Paddling.net
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Old 07-12-2016, 08:50 PM   #2
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Have you checked the classified at padding.net. They have a Wenonah spirit II in rochester
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Old 07-12-2016, 11:51 PM   #3
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Thanks, Mike. I did see that. I'm sure it's a nice boat, but a bit too pricey for Royalex.
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Old 07-15-2016, 06:27 PM   #4
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Maybe worth another look?

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Thanks, Mike. I did see that. I'm sure it's a nice boat, but a bit too pricey for Royalex.
You probably know but Royalex boats are commanding higher prices since the discontinuance of the material. Without seeing the boat I'm not sure that price is really totally out of line. If it's in really nice shape the seller might get close to that amount for it.

I was talking to some Maine Forest Service Rangers recently about the discontinuance of Royalex and the end of production for Old Towns Tripper XL's the rangers use to service the Allagash. They bought 7 of them and have them squirreled away. Lot's of folks I know have Royalex boats squirreled away and are buying them up as they become available.

For a beater (and I mean that in a nice way, not a negative way) the Royalex is your best bang for the buck and likely to outlast Fiberglass, Kevlar and it is certainly superior to crosslink.... As a point of reference, I own canoes made from Royalex, wood, wood and canvas and one made from Kevlar. I would not buy one made from crosslink and share your aversion to Coleman, Pelican and could add to that list. I have not owned a fiberglass canoe in the last 40 years...I can't imagine a reason to buy one unless it's really nice and really cheap.
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Old 07-15-2016, 06:30 PM   #5
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Thanks. I'm familiar with Royalex and its discontinuation, but prefer a lighter boat. I'm old.
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Old 07-15-2016, 06:42 PM   #6
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Thanks. I'm familiar with Royalex and its discontinuation, but prefer a lighter boat. I'm old.
That's a lot different than "the price is too high. If you want a lighter boat fiberglass is out. It typically weighs more than royalex. That also rules out crosslink.
That leaves you to find a Kevlar boat for a price less than (the price was too high at $1,350) $1,300. That is possible but not super easy. I bought my Swift for $1,200 a few years ago and thought I was pretty lucky to score it for that price...tricked out with cherry trim and sliding seats.

You might also want to check the adds in Kijiji and see what is listed North of you. Many really great brands of Prospector based hulls are sold in Canada and there are quite a few used ones available. You may end up driving up to Perry or Owens sound for it though. Also, several of the builders up there sell off used hulls at pretty good prices. You might check their websites.
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Old 07-16-2016, 10:56 AM   #7
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I should have said it doesn't seem to be a good value for me. Let's say for now that Royalex and crosslink canoes are not under consideration (and never poly). Wenonah's Tuf-weave is sometimes called fiberglass in ads, and that's all right because I have a Tuf-weave solo, but "chopper-glass" or heavy FG lay-ups are not something that I'd consider. If you know of a 16-17' Kevlar (or Wenonah Tuf-weave) tandem, I'm interested. I briefly considered an 18 foot Wenonah Kevlar tandem, but it seems to be too much boat for my needs (tripping for 2 with a small dog).
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Old 07-16-2016, 12:18 PM   #8
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How bout a Bell Morningstar? Kevlar& fiberglass, not Ultralite but under $1,200. Southern New Jersey.
http://southjersey.craigslist.org/boa/5668878867.html

Bell Morning Star 15'6" solo-tandem canoe.The MorningStar is at home on all types of water. It maneuvers nimbly due to its shorter length, but will hold plenty of gear for a long weekend trip. No patches or repairs. Always stored indoors. The layup is Bell's White Gold at 53# of s glass outside and kevlar inside.

Length: 15'-6"
Length/width ratio: 5.8
Rocker:
Bow 2.5"
Stern 1.5"
Shear:
Bow: 21"
Mid: 14"
Stern: 19"
Width:
Gunwale width - 32"
Max width - 36"
4" WL width - 32"

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Old 07-16-2016, 03:06 PM   #9
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Bob,
It seems to me that your list of lightweight, good design(my words not yours), and low cost only converge at one point!
Yup (and you know his was coming from me) your gonna end up building a stripper.
I have plans for a versatile and fast 17 ft tandem that I designed and can donate to your cause.
Every time this boat has been built, it has been around 40 lbs, and once at 38 lbs.
Oh, and you should be able to build it for less than $600!
So, let's see...high performance-check, high quality-check(I think), lightweight-check, low cost-check.
Not to mention that strippers are much nicer to look at than any of the other boats.
And no excuses about not having the time or experience. You'll need to forego one baseball per week, and learn as you go. If you can walk upright, you have the skills to build a stripper.
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Bob,
It seems to me that your list of lightweight, good design(my words not yours), and low cost only converge at one point!
Yup (and you know his was coming from me) your gonna end up building a stripper.
I have plans for a versatile and fast 17 ft tandem that I designed and can donate to your cause.
Every time this boat has been built, it has been around 40 lbs, and once at 38 lbs.
Oh, and you should be able to build it for less than $600!
So, let's see...high performance-check, high quality-check(I think), lightweight-check, low cost-check.
Not to mention that strippers are much nicer to look at than any of the other boats.
And no excuses about not having the time or experience. You'll need to forego one baseball per week, and learn as you go. If you can walk upright, you have the skills to build a stripper.
I appreciate your confidence and I do like the way a well-maintained stripper canoe looks, but I'm a procrastinator who never seems to finish big projects. I have leads on 2 or 3 Kevlar tandems for less than $1500, and I'll probably buy one of those.
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Old 07-18-2016, 03:00 PM   #11
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Bob, I picked up a used Souris Quientco 17 for app $1200 from one of the outfitters in the ADK's about 2 years ago. Pretty good condition and app 42 lbs. now my wife can drink and I can carry the boat back on to the car. I'm sure more are for sale after the season. Good luck.
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Thanks, David. We'd like to do a couple trips before the season ends, so I'm looking to buy in August.
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Bob,
It seems to me that your list of lightweight, good design(my words not yours), and low cost only converge at one point!
Yup (and you know his was coming from me) your gonna end up building a stripper.
I have plans for a versatile and fast 17 ft tandem that I designed and can donate to your cause.
Every time this boat has been built, it has been around 40 lbs, and once at 38 lbs.
Oh, and you should be able to build it for less than $600!
So, let's see...high performance-check, high quality-check(I think), lightweight-check, low cost-check.
Not to mention that strippers are much nicer to look at than any of the other boats.
And no excuses about not having the time or experience. You'll need to forego one baseball per week, and learn as you go. If you can walk upright, you have the skills to build a stripper.

Or buy one ready made

http://nh.craigslist.org/boa/5688273618.html
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