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Old 03-26-2007, 02:07 PM   #1
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Black Flies

We were planning on camping and canoeing with a group on Eighth Lake around June 20th for a few days. Heard that we might have a problem with Black Flies. Does anyone know what we might expect? Thanks for any info on this.
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Old 03-26-2007, 02:18 PM   #2
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Hi mikesyr, and welcome to the forum! Lots of factors involved, but in general, you should expect to see LOTS of black flies then! Late May through June is prime-time black fly season.

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Old 03-26-2007, 02:50 PM   #3
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We were planning on camping and canoeing with a group on Eighth Lake around June 20th for a few days. Heard that we might have a problem with Black Flies. Does anyone know what we might expect? Thanks for any info on this.
LOTS would be an understatement at that time. But a problem? nawwww. They're just a state of mind.
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Old 03-26-2007, 03:07 PM   #4
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Yeh, black flies I can handle, either with repellent, net or both at camp. When I'm on the move the balck flies don't bother me.

However, if you want to talk about the carnivorous, predatory, delta winded deer flies, that's a whole different conversation.

And not that i want to discourage you, but has anyone ever explained to you about the Adirondack Mosquito and wetlands and bogs??

Then there are the leaches and the horseflies,

and did I mention................?
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Old 03-26-2007, 03:18 PM   #5
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I know a thing or two about these critters, and you can be assured that my brethren will be out in full force. Think of it as a blessing though... the relative solitude you'll experience is due to the blackfly.
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Old 03-26-2007, 03:28 PM   #6
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I too enjoy the relative solitude you get during blackfly season. I’ve also found generally when the blackflies are at their worse, the fishing is at it’s best.
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Old 03-26-2007, 03:36 PM   #7
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I too enjoy the relative solitude you get during blackfly season. Iíve also found generally when the blackflies are at their worse, the fishing is at itís best.

I like it because you don't have to pack in any food. Just inhale whenever you start feeling a little hungry.
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Old 03-26-2007, 04:30 PM   #8
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Here are some tips for black fly camping: Go with people that don't mind hearing swear words. Leave the shorts at home. Bring headnets and bug suits. Use bug dope like there's no tomorrow. Throw damp leaves and pine needles in your camp fire and stand in the smoke. Get on the water before first light and stay there until dusk. Bring a gallon jug of anti-itch cream. Eat tons of garlic (works good for werewolves too!!!). Support the local economy...bring lots of extra money so you can plunk yourself in a fine drinking establisment, when the smokey fire isn't cutting it
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Old 03-26-2007, 04:46 PM   #9
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I have found that if I start running as soon as I get out of the jeep and keep running until I get back into the jeep I only have to try to kill the 100 or so blackflies that get into the jeep in the 10 secounds the door is open.


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Old 03-26-2007, 04:48 PM   #10
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Here are some tips for black fly camping: Bring headnets and bug suits.........
How many have ever forgotten to lift the bug net before attempting to insert a spoonful of food? Usually done while walking around the campsite in circles because sitting still doesn't cut it. Neither does walking around but constantly moving seems to help somewhat while you perform the "Adirondack wave" with your arms. Also known as multiple expressions of the "I cudda hada V8" salute in more severe cases. At least you can put yourself in the smokiest cloud from the smudge fire. Then there are the dozen flies now inside your headnet that you try to squish within folds of netting before the next spoonful of food.

You begin to pick up little tricks of the trade with your buddies... sidle slowly on over to someone with your black cloud in tow... engage in idle conversation while being sure to stand at a lower level than they are. Bend knees if necessary and slip on away as the beasties migrate over to the higher elevation head. When your buddy begins the arm wave salute more than you, then you are free... for a few seconds at least.
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Old 03-26-2007, 05:07 PM   #11
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This is the best stuff to keep black flies away (seriously):

http://www.cactusjuicetm.com/

It smells good, is non toxic and doesn't melt fly line. Over the years, I've used everything and this stuff works better than anything I've tried!
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Old 03-26-2007, 05:23 PM   #12
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You begin to pick up little tricks of the trade with your buddies... sidle slowly on over to someone with your black cloud in tow... engage in idle conversation while being sure to stand at a lower level than they are. Bend knees if necessary and slip on away as the beasties migrate over to the higher elevation head. When your buddy begins the arm wave salute more than you, then you are free... for a few seconds at least.
That's a classic maneuver and a great one to pull on blackfly newbies.
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Old 03-26-2007, 05:24 PM   #13
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This post reminds me of a thread from last spring concerning deer flies. A hat with tan colored stickum' on the back so when the fly's land they get stuck. The video had a kid walking through the woods for X amount of distance, when he was finished there were a bunch of annoyances stuck to his hat
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Old 03-26-2007, 05:28 PM   #14
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This was in the Adirondack Explorer a few years ago, which is a must read.
http://www.adirondackexplorer.org/awardingoff.htm
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Old 03-26-2007, 06:37 PM   #15
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For new members, or those who may have missed it, here are some past discussions on the forum about these critters:

http://www.adkforum.com/showthread.php?t=2422
http://www.adkforum.com/showthread.php?t=3819
http://www.adkforum.com/showthread.php?t=3703

And here are a few sites about them that might be of interest to some:

http://www.blackfly.org.uk/
http://www.roberth.u-net.com/blackflies.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_fly
http://sci.agr.ca/ecorc/diptera/bf11-dp11_e.htm
http://www.depweb.state.pa.us/blackf...p?a=3&Q=505536

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Old 03-26-2007, 06:42 PM   #16
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This post reminds me of a thread from last spring concerning deer flies. A hat with tan colored stickum' on the back so when the fly's land they get stuck. The video had a kid walking through the woods for X amount of distance, when he was finished there were a bunch of annoyances stuck to his hat
Chris I, you're referring to the Tred-Not Deerfly patch. The commercial site for it is here

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Old 03-26-2007, 06:47 PM   #17
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Has anyone in here used the tred-not deerfly patch?
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Old 03-26-2007, 10:57 PM   #18
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Last early May myself and a buddy of mine were fishing/camping in the St. Regis Canoe Area. The black flies were just starting to come out. Anyways, Steve had decided to lather up with some of his deceased grandfathers bug dope that had been left to him with other outdoor gear. Shortly after a shore side pit stop I took over the rubber handled oars of my Sportspal from my buddy Steve who had been rowing. I commented to him that the rubber grips were sticky, we shortly realized that it was the highly concentrated deet that he had put on that was melting them. End of story, no bugs that day, probably tumors tomorrow.
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Old 03-26-2007, 11:10 PM   #19
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Here are a couple of links on DEET:

http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/128/11/931
http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/factsh...icals/deet.htm
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Last early May myself and a buddy of mine were fishing/camping in the St. Regis Canoe Area. The black flies were just starting to come out.
You may notice that the very first crop of black flies to appear are just annoying. They don't bite, it's as if they don't know how for the first week or so. I've heard there are several variations in black fly species, and indeed not all bite. At any rate, I wouldn't go too far overboard with the heavy deet at first. Annoyance is a state of mind, heavy biting is something else. In truth even when the biters appear I prefer to just keep moving and not slather up, cover a few more miles on those days rather than suffer the pain with or without repellent.
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