Adirondack Forum  
Rules Membership Donations and Online Store Adkhighpeaks Foundation ADKhighpeaks Forums ADKhighpeaks Wiki Disclaimer

Go Back   Adirondack Forum > The Adirondack Forum > Paddling in the Adirondacks
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 06-14-2019, 08:47 AM   #1
mphilli2
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 151
Hornbeck seating

Have owned a Hornbeck Lost Pond 10.5 for over decade, and am thinking about buying a Hornbeck Classic 13. I've heard the seating has been redesigned and is now more comfortable. I'm ok with the seating in the Lost Pond, but I'd still prefer more comfort for my back. Anyone out there have an opinion based on experience?

Also looking at the Slipstream Impulse 13. Not interested in spending what Placid and Hemlock charge.

A test paddle won't tell me much about comfort unless I can be on the water for at least an hour, and anyhow Hornbeck's pond (for test paddles) is fairly small.

Thanks for any help.
mphilli2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2019, 09:17 AM   #2
WinterWarlock
One foot in front of the other
 
WinterWarlock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 2,215
Quote:
Originally Posted by mphilli2 View Post
Have owned a Hornbeck Lost Pond 10.5 for over decade, and am thinking about buying a Hornbeck Classic 13. I've heard the seating has been redesigned and is now more comfortable. I'm ok with the seating in the Lost Pond, but I'd still prefer more comfort for my back. Anyone out there have an opinion based on experience?

Also looking at the Slipstream Impulse 13. Not interested in spending what Placid and Hemlock charge.

A test paddle won't tell me much about comfort unless I can be on the water for at least an hour, and anyhow Hornbeck's pond (for test paddles) is fairly small.

Thanks for any help.
I just picked up my Hornbeck New Trick 15 two weeks ago, and did a test last week on Hemlock Lake near Rochester. Spent 2 1/2 hours on the water in windy conditions. The one thing that did not bother me at all (despite being warned ahead of time that I wouldn't like it) was the seat. Lots of support and comfort...

I'm 6' tall, and this pic shows where the seat hits my back...

IMG_0116.jpg
__________________
ADK High Peaks Wiki

Enjoy Every Sandwich!
WinterWarlock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2019, 10:11 AM   #3
Bob K
Member
 
Bob K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Saratoga County, NY
Posts: 546
Hornbeck Seat option

I have a very old second hand Lost Pond boat and did not like the original seat back. Since the thwart the back pad rests on is essential, that can't be removed. I added a "surf to summit" kayak seat back ($35-40) a few years ago and find it much more comfortable. It's a big improvement for me at 5'11" and a plus for my wife too at 5'2". It is similar to what came on my PB Rapidfire.

A few caveats on how the new seat back was mounted. The supplied hardware is too heavy so I revised the attachments for the webbing to the gunnels & thwart. In addition, because the forward attachment point places lots of stress on the gunnels when you lean back, it started separating the 3 layers of wood. A single well placed SS machine bolt thru all 3 layers (with self locking nut recessed into the wood) solved that.

Additional weight is minimal, additional comfort substantial for me. I have it adjusted to be as far back as possible nearly touching the original foam block (left in place). I also added foot pegs to that boat further increasing comfort and paddling efficiency.
Bob K is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2019, 02:44 PM   #4
Rich Lockwood
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Springville,NY
Posts: 457
Impulse 13

I have a 13" Slipstream Betula solo which is the birchbark layup of the impulse 13. It is affine paddling solo and my wife's favorite solo. Mine has a high hung seat and is the carbon/Kevlar layup. Mine is app 22# but the non birchbark boat is lighter and faster. Good people to deal with.
Turtle
Rich Lockwood is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2019, 08:47 AM   #5
mphilli2
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 151
Bob, thanks for the suggestions on installing a new seat.

Turtle, your recommendation of Impulse is much appreciated, as you've paddled many different canoes never the years.

Warlock, thanks re the Classic. Two hours without back tightness sounds good. And your attached photo reminds me to get out on Hemlock Lake again. Haven't been there in several years. I especially liked going to shore where the Nature Conservancy property is & hike that beautiful old growth forest.
mphilli2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2019, 11:31 AM   #6
HappyCamper
Otter Watcher
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Syracuse
Posts: 66
I don’t find the seat in my Classic very comfortable after about an hour, by then I am searching for a place to get out and stand. Being tall might be part of the problem, not having much natural cushion in the derrière also doesn’t help.
I just ordered a padded seat to go over the hard foam so we’ll see how that goes.
HappyCamper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2019, 11:47 AM   #7
WinterWarlock
One foot in front of the other
 
WinterWarlock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 2,215
Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyCamper View Post
I don’t find the seat in my Classic very comfortable after about an hour, by then I am searching for a place to get out and stand. Being tall might be part of the problem, not having much natural cushion in the derrière also doesn’t help.
I just ordered a padded seat to go over the hard foam so we’ll see how that goes.
I finally did a longer paddle in my New Trick, and after about two hours my hamstrings started cramping. I repositioned the foot pegs, and that helped, but still...it was uncomfortable for a while.
__________________
ADK High Peaks Wiki

Enjoy Every Sandwich!
WinterWarlock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2019, 12:40 PM   #8
Zach
Last seen wandering vaguely
 
Zach's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Orwell NY
Posts: 805
I have a low seat in my canoe(though it's not a Hornbeck) and I find that I can get some relief by moving my legs to different positions if I'm not in an area where I can get out of the canoe regularly. My normal position is with my toes on the thwart in front of me, sort of like foot pegs, but for short periods I will pull my knees up to my chest and hold the paddle out in front of them, or sit cross legged and swing my paddle a bit more to the sides so as to not hit my knees with it. This seems to keep my legs from going numb or becoming painful, but everyone's seat is different and may respond differently, I suppose.
Zach
Zach is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2019, 03:32 PM   #9
Wldrns
Member
 
Wldrns's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Western Adirondacks
Posts: 3,985
i have found leg relief in my hornbeck by placing a small dry bag under my thighs and knees. I also have found the best way to pack and distribute weight and gear in the hornbeck is to have a couple of dry bags of stuff to take outside of my main pack anyway, so this works out well for me.
__________________
"Now I see the secret of making the best person, it is to grow in the open air and to eat and sleep with the earth." -Walt Whitman
Wldrns is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2019, 03:42 PM   #10
HappyCamper
Otter Watcher
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Syracuse
Posts: 66
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wldrns View Post
i have found leg relief in my hornbeck by placing a small dry bag under my thighs and knees. I also have found the best way to pack and distribute weight and gear in the hornbeck is to have a couple of dry bags of stuff to take outside of my main pack anyway, so this works out well for me.
YES, I keep my dry bag under my knees as well and it definitely helps, this is a great tip to anyone who hasn’t tried it. Now if only that helped my back and butt.
HappyCamper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2019, 03:53 PM   #11
WinterWarlock
One foot in front of the other
 
WinterWarlock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 2,215
Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyCamper View Post
YES, I keep my dry bag under my knees as well and it definitely helps, this is a great tip to anyone who hasn’t tried it. Now if only that helped my back and butt.
Good idea - I had a water bottle under my legs and I think it was too large and too rigid...
__________________
ADK High Peaks Wiki

Enjoy Every Sandwich!
WinterWarlock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2019, 09:52 PM   #12
Wldrns
Member
 
Wldrns's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Western Adirondacks
Posts: 3,985
Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyCamper View Post
YES, I keep my dry bag under my knees as well and it definitely helps, this is a great tip to anyone who hasn’t tried it. Now if only that helped my back and butt.
I rigged a cheap version of a Crazy Creek chair for back support. Just be sure it has adjustable side straps that you can cinch tight, connected toward the front of the seat.
It is sort of visible in my hornbeck here:

__________________
"Now I see the secret of making the best person, it is to grow in the open air and to eat and sleep with the earth." -Walt Whitman
Wldrns is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2019, 02:45 PM   #13
mphilli2
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 151
Wilderness, thanks for the suggestion. Warlock, thanks for the update.

I will probably buy an Impulse. Might sell my Keewaydin tandem or give it to my son, since it so seldom gets used any longer (my wife has serious health problems) but I'll keep the Hornbeck.

Odd that this year the Lost Pond has not bothered my back even though I've been in it for 4 hours at a time. The seat has come unglued (the canoe is 10 or 11 years old) and moves around a little, which leads me to wonder if it's moving into a position more comfortable for my lower back. Or maybe I'm becoming numb even before I die.

Not sure yet whether to get an Impulse designed for use with a canoe paddle or stick to floor seating. They make one with a seat situated for both styles of paddles/paddling, but I'm not sure how well that would work.
mphilli2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:48 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

DISCLAIMER: Use of these forums, and information found herein, is at your own risk. Use of this site by members and non-members alike is only granted by the adkhighpeak.com administration provided the terms and conditions found in the FULL DISCLAIMER have been read. Continued use of this site implies that you have read, understood and agree to the terms and conditions of this site. Any questions can be directed to the Administrator of this site.