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Old 01-28-2018, 07:08 PM   #1
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Perhaps it's the hikers attitude that needs to change.

I happened to be skiing at a large public area close to home when I had this encounter.

It's quite a popular place for skiing and snowshoeing when there is snow, but we often have problems with barebooters ruining the trails. I contacted the county about these issues and was asked to join a group which helps to educate users and share the trails more responsibly.

Along my ski I ran into a couple hikers, both with bare boots. They were lost and asked me the quickest way back to the parking area. I gave them a couple options and tried to get on my way. I noticed that they had been walking directly in the ski track that had been set and one that had been undisturbed by hikers or snowshoers for a few days (because I had been out every day). There was a snowshoe track beside the ski tracks. I asked one of the gentlemen if he would walk outside of the ski tracks because his bare boots ruin them. His response was, "My feet are cold, I don't want to walk in the snow."

So not only were these gentlemen completely unprepared for the conditions, they ruined almost two miles of ski track (I skied the way they came in and they walked in the track the whole way and post holed it severely). And recall, they were lost. Granted it's a large tract of land, all the trails are marked and there are maps at each parking area.

I really wish hikers would get it together, they tend to be the most egregious offenders, the least prepared and the most clueless.
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Old 01-28-2018, 08:14 PM   #2
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Should've told him, snow is an insulator
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Old 01-28-2018, 08:27 PM   #3
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We're told to be respectful and educate these people. The county doesn't really have any authority over any of it, it's really just etiquette.
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Old 01-29-2018, 09:42 AM   #4
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We're told to be respectful and educate these people. The county doesn't really have any authority over any of it, it's really just etiquette.
It is also just plain common sense.
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Old 01-29-2018, 10:09 AM   #5
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I really wish hikers would get it together, they tend to be the most egregious offenders, the least prepared and the most clueless.
Aren't you a hiker?
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Old 01-29-2018, 01:29 PM   #6
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We're told to be respectful and educate these people. The county doesn't really have any authority over any of it, it's really just etiquette.
You can't educate someone who thinks its their right to do whatever the hell they want to. Etiquette is a thing of the past, I'm afraid. If there's no consequences for their actions, they'll just continue to do it. Why would they give a crap about the next person skiing there? They don't know them. I don't even try anymore. I just shake my head and keep walking. I've tried the "friendly conversations" in the past and you can only be told to mind your own %!#$! business so many times before you do just that.
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Old 01-29-2018, 01:30 PM   #7
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Aren't you a hiker?
Sure am - but if we want to lump people in categories, people that are into multi-sports tend to be a lot more educated about trail use than the once-a-year hiker who goes out unprepared, uneducated and usually causes more trouble than they are worth.

There are plenty of good, responsible hikers and the same can be said for skier and bikers. But I often don't have to have talks with those people about trail etiquette.
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Old 01-29-2018, 01:32 PM   #8
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You can't educate someone who thinks its their right to do whatever the hell they want to. Etiquette is a thing of the past, I'm afraid. If there's no consequences for their actions, they'll just continue to do it. Why would they give a crap about the next person skiing there? They don't know them. I don't even try anymore. I just shake my head and keep walking. I've tried the "friendly conversations" in the past and you can only be told to mind your own %!#$! business so many times before you do just that.
Yeah - people can sometimes do that. That's why groups like bike patrol and ski patrol are created, so they "seem" like they have some authority. They do not, really. They are there to help in case of emergencies and educate people.

It is getting better... but it really only takes a couple knuckleheads to screw stuff up.
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Old 01-29-2018, 06:38 PM   #9
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We have a rail trail nearby and I always try to set as many ski tracks as possible. Since I like to get out early I will sometimes get four sets in before walkers show up. Once I tried a sign that said, "Please don't walk in all the ski tracks." It didn't work.
Fortunately the walkers stay out of the woods for the most part where the best trails are.
When I'm really feeling the need for some indignation I will ask people to keep their dog on a leash as the law requires.
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Old 01-29-2018, 06:44 PM   #10
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We have a rail trail nearby and I always try to set as many ski tracks as possible. Since I like to get out early I will sometimes get four sets in before walkers show up. Once I tried a sign that said, "Please don't walk in all the ski tracks." It didn't work.
Sometimes I've found that makes it worse. When there are multiple sets, people just pick one at random and eventually they all get trashed.

The best luck we've had is where skiers stay in one track and someone puts a snowshoe track beside that.

Often our better trails in the woods get snowshoed, so you wind up in a SS rut anyway. I'm OK with it, it's better than post holes.

If we get enough snow, I just bushwhack, so that's always my hope.
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