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In spite of the tone of my posts I am optimistic. We are showing signs of learning. Slow by our lifespan time frame but maybe not so slow in the time frame of thousands or tens of thousands of years.
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Our species is the most damaging to the environment and all other living things. We are responsible for the eradication of whole numbers of species of living thing. We are the only species that soil the place that we live. While a predator kills for food, our species kills far more of our own because of greed, jealously, envy, hatred and sometimes just for the fun of it Our species shows that the ability to think, rather then act solely on instinct is not necessarily a good thing. And I'm NOT optimistic. History doesn't point to any reason why I should be. Hawk
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I don't think there is such a thing as mother nature or a plan of any sort. We are strictly on our own and improvising as we go along.
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I am willing to acknoledge that I am no more than a spark or a speck of sand and what I do know is infinitly smaller that what I do not know. Quote:
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I understand Rickie's posts, I think. Thus I do not see them as a bad attitude or even one who thinks we should do whatever the heck we want. Simply put, that migration of these invasives will happen regardless of our actions or inaction. we can only slow the rate of migration. As has been pointed out we can also increase the rate of migration which I do not think anyone advocates. It is truly unfortunate that we as humans have increased this rate of migration exponentially with inter-continental travel and transport. Does this mean we do nothing to slow the migration? Of course not, but all of our choices will have a cost associated, the most effective would be for us (humans) to eradicate ourselves or decide to not transport ourselves or goods anymore, however this will still not eliminate the migration, only slow it to a rate > zero. This is of course the most extreme "solution" but as stated, it still doesn't solve the problem. It only slows it. We can make "cheaper" choices like not transporting wood, or cleaning our boat hulls but these also will not solve the problem. Resistance IS futile. Species migration will continue to happen and the ecosystems will change whether we want it to or not. The only constant is change.
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Is this not the complaint we have of the invasives? Unless our working definitions of the term "soil" differ.
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Duct: I think we could certainly slow the tide greatly by eliminating the import of "pets" and plants that later become invasive species when people throw them out or let them go. Look at the fish species and snakes that are getting released and multiplying. Also the Japanese Knotweed that Price Chopper sells in their flower shops. That stuff is really hard to eradicate--I have been fighting with some in my back yard for 15 years. Thanks to the invasive species workshop, I now know how to get rid of it.
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Somewhat dryer but also a very interesting book is, "Limits to Growth. The 30 year update." With respect to species soiling their environment it's of interest that the first organisms on Earth persisted for a few billion years in supposedly massive quantities but they poisoned the atmosphere so badly that they died off just as massively and today only a few survive in restricted environments. What did these archaic photosynthesizing bacteria pollute their environment with that killed them off? Oxygen, which is a very highly toxic and reactive substance.
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Do you think the knew what they were doing?
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gotta go have a great weekend everyone!!!
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Great book by the way. A must for any intelligent, open minded person who wants to be informed.
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Many species' adaptations have developed to maximize their "ability" to be transported. The Earth is a dynamic system in which it will always be changing and this change has always involved the migration of species which took over an area even without our help and will continue to do so when our species is gone.
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We are putting chemicals and other toxic things into the ground and we have a great deal of toxic waste that we really have no place to put it that we can be sure that it's safe. So, we are poisoning our own home, the planet that we live on. It has incresed every year since the beginning of the "industrial revolution" starting with the "Coal burning age", which we still burn for power houses BTW because it's "cheaper". It's also the cause of the acid rain that we have here in the east. That's what I mean by "soiling the place that we live". Hawk
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A very timely thread........here's just the latest of invaders:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100903/...invasive_clams
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& on the Great Lakes front: http://www.physorg.com/news202722595.html
Think the last paragraph in the article's a "little excessive" w/the prediction.
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There is a plan to do yearly inspections/removal. I agree, probably the only surefire way to keep it out is to restrict the cross-lake contamination from boats. |
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One way to get rid of invasive species is to introduce another species to destroy the first one. Say, a bacterium, a brand new one designed on a computer, created in a lab, then released into the ecosystem to destroy the original invasive. I am sure it would work. Just don't try it first out up here in Canada.
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The Gypsy Moth was brought under control by a deadly fungus referred to as "Em" - http://northernwoodlands.org/article...haga-maimaiga/ The beetles they've been using on Purple Loosetrife absolutely defoliate the plants - they do some amazing work. Of course they need to do plenty of research beforehand to make reasonably sure that the cure isn't as bad or worse than the disease. |
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Just look at how that turned out. Now we need to find a way to get rid of the humans (except me and Redhawk of course). One possible solution: the Internet.
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