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Old 08-05-2012, 06:48 PM   #1
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FINALLY! Remaining Finch Pruyn lands to be purchased by the state!

http://www.nature.org/newsfeatures/p...dirondacks.xml
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Old 08-05-2012, 08:43 PM   #2
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That's great news
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Old 08-05-2012, 09:55 PM   #3
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There are obviously positives, but how does the state afford this?
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Old 08-05-2012, 10:16 PM   #4
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It's like any major purchase: it always seems like more than you can afford right now, but in the long run it's worth it (usually a good bargain, to boot).
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Old 08-05-2012, 11:10 PM   #5
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It's chump change, especially paid off over 5 years - ESPECIALLY when you consider what nature and the state and lovers of the Great Outdoors gets for it. These parcels NEEDED to be protected for generations to come. The threat of anything other than full protection of these particular areas needed to be removed.

And there is money set aside for this specifically.

I can think of many other things I'd defund before I defunded this.
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Old 08-06-2012, 09:26 AM   #6
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Also, GrayGhost, consider something. This represents (without pulling up the actual numbers) something far less than 1% of the state's budget, which is in the multibillion dollar per year range.

Okay, actual numbers: Purchase = 49.8 million. Actual state budget for fiscal year 2013 is 3.5 billion dollars. Actual purchase to be paid this year: 13 million. Percent of budget for this year:

(1.3 e7 / 3.5 e9) = (1.3 / 3.5 e 2) = 1.3/350 = 0.003714...

So, this represents 0.37% of the state's budget for this year. This is virtually NOTHING to the state.
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Old 08-06-2012, 10:05 AM   #7
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It wouldn't be chump change for a village that needed money for road repairs...yes, I know, that would be an entirely different dept

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Also, GrayGhost, consider something. This represents (without pulling up the actual numbers) something far less than 1% of the state's budget, which is in the multibillion dollar per year range.

Okay, actual numbers: Purchase = 49.8 million. Actual state budget for fiscal year 2013 is 3.5 billion dollars. Actual purchase to be paid this year: 13 million. Percent of budget for this year:

(1.3 e7 / 3.5 e9) = (1.3 / 3.5 e 2) = 1.3/350 = 0.003714...

So, this represents 0.37% of the state's budget for this year. This is virtually NOTHING to the state.
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Old 08-06-2012, 10:28 AM   #8
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As a former State employee who was asked to sacrifice because of budgetary concerns and knowing that the State's 2013 budget is at least 1 billion in deficit any money spent irks me.

Anyone know if mountain bikes will be allowed and when the public will allowed access? I'm interested in checking out the Gooley club's property with its 40 miles of roads.
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:50 AM   #9
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Saratoga Mountain Bike Association is already working to find a way to..."working with DEC in the future to help preserve, maintain and enhance the natural resources of this forest"

I think the purchase could be great at less than 300 per acre (although it looks like there will be significant lease transfer) it's a good deal. More smokestack free industry in new york is a good thing, let's see what they do with it.

State picking up full school and property tax will add to the price tag.
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Old 08-06-2012, 12:31 PM   #10
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Anyone know if mountain bikes will be allowed and when the public will allowed access? I'm interested in checking out the Gooley club's property with its 40 miles of roads.
It sounds like the resulting zoning will be a mixture of Wilderness and Wild Forest. Mountain bikes are allowed in Wild Forests, so yes, there should be at least a few spots where biking will be allowed.
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:32 PM   #11
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State picking up full school and property tax will add to the price tag.
As long as the State holds to this , and doesn't shirk that promise I see no huge issue. Lot of school districts that have to rely solely on private property owners with no help from the state for the acreage the state owns in the park .
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Old 08-06-2012, 06:44 PM   #12
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A once in a lifetime opportunity not to be missed!
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Old 08-06-2012, 07:09 PM   #13
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I am certainly not an expert on state bureaucracy, and I am not trying to start a fire here--I realize that funds are likely reserved and can only be spent on such matters. I think this is a great get for the state and a huge bargain; however, schools across the state--the per student aid cuts in school aid inside the park were among the highest in the state over the last few years--along with other state workers have had to make huge sacrifices of late. My local district is running on $1 million less state aid then it used to. As much as I love wilderness, I think Albany sometimes turns a blind eye to the fact that people live here as well. Again, just my opinion, not trying to start a whizzing match. I see why this was a no-brainer, truly, but there will certainly be some debate.
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Old 08-06-2012, 07:52 PM   #14
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And there should be questions when the state spends the people's money. The community gets the benefit of a free tourist attraction for the state to pay extra taxes into perpetuity kind of sucks. I know the schools need funding maybe taxing part time homes more or giving the community some sales tax revenues off of tourism would be better for taxpayers.

I still think its a great purchase
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Old 08-06-2012, 07:55 PM   #15
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The state has been waiting to buy this land for many years now. The DEC is actually wanting the State to buy the land. The land is literally untouched by any human and the wildlife is incredible. Know an inside man.
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:17 PM   #16
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Totally on board that it is a great purchase...just Looking at all sides.
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:31 PM   #17
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Must look at all sides. We often get tunnel vision.
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Old 08-06-2012, 09:05 PM   #18
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I agree also that it is a great purchase but wonder how the State can justify the purchase when they are having such a hard time managing what they already have. Talked with DEC Encon officer today and he stated there are only 250 Encon officers in the state as of right now. Seems like everytime I go out I see more and more junk that is just left around by slobs, more and more vandalism to trees around campsites etc etc.

They not only oversee wildlife issues but water polution garbage dumps and all sorts of other things.
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:51 PM   #19
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Sorry. I didn't think that my numbers looked even close to correct. The state budget for FY 2012 is 93.288 billion. Thus, the correct amount of this is:

(1.3e7)/(93.29e9) = (1.3)/(93.29e2) = 1.3/9329 = 1.3935e-4 = 0.00013935 = 0.0139% of the state budget.

My bad

Let's just all be realistic though, this is about the same amount that is spent on any given one or two "pork" projects.

Although, since this money is already allocated, this is all a moot point.....
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:00 AM   #20
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I'm already looking forward to that first time gently sliding the canoe into the Boreas Ponds..
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