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#21 |
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Maine
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I find cached boats an eyesore..Sorry I don't think ADA does not apply in this instance.
And for those of us who are looking 70 thats why there are light boats. I have friends in their 80s still carrying their Hornbecks. |
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#22 |
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Join Date: Apr 2008
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I can't stand seeing boats chained to trees- DEC needs to enforce the law on this.
The only real reason why people do this is because the are LAZY- and do not want to carry in when they want to go fishing. The people who follow the law are the ones left out to dry... |
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#23 |
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Once the state or volunteers get rid of the non-functional boats (there are plenty and definitely qualify as garbage!), then we can talk about the possibility of getting rid of the functional ones.
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#24 |
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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I don't see what the big deal is with leaving a canoe or small rowboat stashed in the woods. Furthermore, I don't view them as garbage, and I've never heard anyone complain about them until reading this forum.
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: West coast of New England
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Funny, nobody's brought up the issue of safety. most of the boats I've seen stashed in the woods are leaky, frail and unsafe as watercraft. The people I've seen out fishing in them didn't have life jackets... Finally (and then I WILL butt out of this thread) three of my favorite ponds have boats 'stashed' on the bottom. I doubt they're ever coming out. Ultimately, that's what becomes of all of these so-called community watercraft. If you carry a boat in, you can darn well carry it back out again. ![]()
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#26 |
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cahill
I do stash canoes but I bring them out every fall. The rangers know they're there and don't have any problem with it. Enforcement is an issue but many rangers don't have a problem with it. I really don't see what it hurts as long as they're taken out each year. They aren't locked, anyone can use them. If they can find them... Quote: Originally Posted by DSettahr There is an idea that as long as there are only one or two boats on a lake and they aren't locked up, but are available for everyone to use, management agencies and law enforcement personnel (forest rangers) should "look the other way." The problem with this is that it's selective enforcement..." I agree completely. This is what I was talking about when I mentioned favored constituencies. I don't think the DEC would look the other way if I stashed climbing gear in the wilderness and told them I was doing it... |
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#27 |
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Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Tribes Hill
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I'm liking this discussion and I've seen my fair share of canoes and row boats in backwoods ponds. Personally I don't see anything wrong with a functional canoe or 2 on a remote pond. Its the sunken ones that I don't like seeing. I personally wouldn't mind hauling out a boat or two if its repairable. I wouldn't take one out that is still usable though. For one I have no idea if it was just put there for the day well someone bushwacks up to a nearby peak or other adventure. But if its at the bottom of the lake or full of bullet holes then its a safe bet its been there a while. I'd hike the rowboat out of Murphy lake if it didn't weigh so dang much. There's a 10 foot rowboat sunk on Middle lake. Anyone know of any lightweight kayaks that need to be removed? Swiz
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Join Date: May 2007
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Something to keep in mind is that Forest Rangers are responsible for responding to issues in the developed DEC Campgrounds. This takes up a huge amount of their time during the summer months, and limits the amount of time they can spend dealing with other issues. Again, we're talking about an under staffed and under budgeted agency. Quote:
Self-Inflating PFDs are available, and are lightweight and easy to strap to the exterior of your pack. I would encourage that, regardless of legalities and personal viewpoints, everyone who uses stashed canoes in the woods to carry one with them and wear it while paddling. |
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#29 |
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 904
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Easy solution, stash a couple pair of bolt cutters at every pond/lake. Now all those locked up boats will be available to the public... of course then you have the eyesore of bolt cutters
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: Rochester area
Posts: 2,236
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the convenience of a few is not an excuse. carry in, carry out, leave no trace.
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#31 |
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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I know where there's a pond it's only about a mile walk. It has 5 row boats on the shore nun of them are any good. If i thought I wouldn,t get in trouble I would be willing to drag them out and take them to the salvage yard and sell them for scrap. Tell me what you think? do you think I would get in trouble for taking them?
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#32 |
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: Rochester area
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If they're not safe, and they're not there legally, I can't see why the authorities would stop you from removing them. Call it your earth day good deed.
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Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: In My Memories
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I'm more concerned with people who leave trash in their firepits or discard litter on the trail then i am about stashed boats. the caveat however is that if a boat is stashed on public land, then it should be for public use and not chained to a tree.
If I were to come across a boat chained to a tree on public land, my reaction would to bring in bolt cutters my next trek in and free the boat so it will be "forever wild". Hawk
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Your best bet would be the contact the DEC first, specifically the ranger who's patrol district the pond is in, and ask them. |
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Location: Gloversville, NY
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What did you say the name of those ponds were where the boats are stashed?
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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![]() Seriously though, just about every lake and pond in the Adirondacks? Especially ones where there's fish. I know a guy who will walk around a pond looking for boats. If he finds a bunch he figures the fishing is good and will come back with his gear. |
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Well Glen, I guess you stirred the pot on this one... ![]() Not taking any particular side on this one except for the fact that I am truly tired of eyesores, and that most of the boats I have seen are either chained or not seaworthy or garbagey looking...
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#39 |
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Work Day
Perhaps those annoyed with the boats can organize a work day to remove ones that are full of holes and clearly of no use, which qualify in everyone's mind as garbage. The consensus here seems to be that those need to go.
It could be one of those very, very rare circumstances where a thread produces a useful and meaningful result! |
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#40 |
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Join Date: May 2007
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Don't forget Fish Pond, Grass Pond, Polliwog Pond, Horseshoe Pond, Trout Pond, Long Pond, Follensby Pond, Gull Pond, Mill Brook, Beaver Pond, Spectacle Pond, Goose Pond, Deer Pond, South Lake, North Lake, West Lake, East Lake, Otter Lake, Spruce Lake, Balsam Lake, Tamarack Lake, Pine Lake, First Pond, Second Pond, Third Pond...
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