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Old 07-27-2014, 11:58 AM   #81
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Go to Consumer Reports. They're the picture of objectivity and they think the Forester is the best AWD in its class.

Here's my sweet ride.
Japanese manufacturers roll out new models every 5 years. You will see opinions change depending on where they are in the cycle.

Someone may see something one vehicle has over the other that they like but considering everything there is very little separation in these vehicles, except as I said previously from an (older) male perception the CRV and the RAV are not cool probably because both target markets were young and female. But then again Subaru has really been successful targeting the female and flannel demographic....not that there's anything wrong with that.

BTW....I drive a pickup.
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Old 07-28-2014, 04:02 PM   #82
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If you are choosing your vehicle for it's AWD capabilities then the Subaru is a good choice as are the Audi and BMW X drive. These cars all are staged with full time AWD. Other AWD cars (Volvo, Honda whatever) use an active split system that transfers drive to the rear wheels after they sense wheel slippage. For the hill climb test (with Audi noticeably missing) the Subaru has a clear advantage over the other vehicles since it distributes 50% drive to the front and rear axles at all times. The other cars fail because they transfer the drive after the wheels have already lost traction.

The Volvo AWD is a mediocre system, not as good as Subaru or Audi.....but frankly, AWD is an extra and not essential function. Good tires and 4 snow tires in the winter are enough to go anywhere in any car even without AWD.

My vote is for the AMC Eagle......
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Old 07-28-2014, 04:35 PM   #83
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If you are choosing your vehicle for it's AWD capabilities then the Subaru is a good choice as are the Audi and BMW X drive. These cars all are staged with full time AWD. Other AWD cars (Volvo, Honda whatever) use an active split system that transfers drive to the rear wheels after they sense wheel slippage. For the hill climb test (with Audi noticeably missing) the Subaru has a clear advantage over the other vehicles since it distributes 50% drive to the front and rear axles at all times. The other cars fail because they transfer the drive after the wheels have already lost traction.

The Volvo AWD is a mediocre system, not as good as Subaru or Audi.....but frankly, AWD is an extra and not essential function. Good tires and 4 snow tires in the winter are enough to go anywhere in any car even without AWD.

My vote is for the AMC Eagle......
Funny you said that because I was going to mention the AMC Eagle was the original ADK car.
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Old 07-28-2014, 05:05 PM   #84
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.....but frankly, AWD is an extra and not essential function. Good tires and 4 snow tires in the winter are enough to go anywhere in any car even without AWD.
I would challenge your 2wd, with snow tires, to make it up my long steep driveway after 6 or more inches of snowfall, which happens frequently where I live here in the heart of lake effect country. Not until I got rid of my 2wd (with snow tires) could I or any other such vehicle do it, even with a running start. But now my Subarus (Outback and Forester) easily crawl right up at slow speed.

For me, AWD is not essential only if I want to park on the road at the bottom of the driveway. Been there, done that. No more.
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:17 PM   #85
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I can get anywhere with 2WD on my Tundra with snows and sand in the back.

That is ..with a running start.

Driveways are notorious for making you slow down and turn into them. Thats where 4WD is essential in snow country if you have a steep driveway.
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Subaru Weather

My wife's car went nowhere for 3 days. The old Outback was outa there and chomping at the bit to get over to Sugarbush for some fresh tracks. There were a couple of high end AWD cars and a pickup or two stuck by the wayside as we cruised up and over Ap Gap.
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Old 07-28-2014, 10:52 PM   #87
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VT, you are a Master Debator...... hahaha.

Ya I know real juvenile...something Peter Griffin would say.
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:07 AM   #88
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I can get anywhere with 2WD on my Tundra with snows and sand in the back.

with a running start.

Driveways are notorious for making you slow down and turn into them. Thats where 4WD is essential in snow country if you have a steep driveway.
I drove a Mustang 5.0 year round for many years.I had 4 Blizzaks on it. My driveway (a really steep one) was not for faint of heart. But, with a running start I always got there. The driveway was at the top of a long hill and pitched up steeply with a drop off on one side and a wall on the other.
My Audi's could stop halfway up and still make it....much easier to be sure but rear wheel drive and snows and technique accomplished the same.
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Old 07-29-2014, 07:32 PM   #89
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I just brought my new 2015 Forester Limited Edition home today!
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Old 07-29-2014, 07:40 PM   #90
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Old 07-29-2014, 07:46 PM   #91
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did it come with a compass and GPS
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:19 PM   #92
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did it come with a compass and GPS
It did come with a compass... as a traditional method navigator I don't need no stinkin' GPS.
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As a Foz owner and having attended two CASART M&C courses taught by Mr Wldrns I couldn't resist the poke...shoot me
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Post some pics of your new ride !
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Post some pics of your new ride !
with the boats on top!
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I would challenge your 2wd, with snow tires, to make it up my long steep driveway after 6 or more inches of snowfall, which happens frequently where I live here in the heart of lake effect country. Not until I got rid of my 2wd (with snow tires) could I or any other such vehicle do it, even with a running start. But now my Subarus (Outback and Forester) easily crawl right up at slow speed.

For me, AWD is not essential only if I want to park on the road at the bottom of the driveway. Been there, done that. No more.
+1 My situation precisely.
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Old 01-08-2015, 01:14 PM   #99
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Fell Short...

...I had hoped for 100 posts!
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100 !!! I have an 03 Forester that replaced an 01. Can't be beat for blasting up snow covered hills.
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