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Old 04-22-2009, 06:42 PM   #41
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Roger that Jim, thanks again for everything (okay, and ESPECIALLY the work on the guide... a.k.a. our new ADK climbing bible ).
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Old 04-22-2009, 08:57 PM   #42
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Just out of curiosity, what is private land now? Looking at the maps, I can see that pretty much everything is private except maybe the first cliff closest to the road.

From what I understand, this property belongs to a logging company, right?

Is there any sort of resource that we can go to so we know what's open access and what's private land still?

In addition, what's the scoop on bushwhacking in, camping, then climbing the next day (say for farther cliffs)?
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Old 04-23-2009, 08:04 AM   #43
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stokel -- good question. When I warned about private land, I was concerned that people might park at or near the farm and other private land. Now that it's open, I know the cliffs are legit, but I'm not sure of the land configuration near the access points and roads. I'm sure there are legal places to pull off, just use good judgement and ask around if there is a question.

Regarding camping, my understanding (and I haven't heard otherwise) is that the normal DEC rules for camping apply -- i.e., camp anywhere as long as it's 150 feet from any road, water, or trail.
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Old 04-23-2009, 08:51 AM   #44
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Thanks for the info! I e-mailed the DEC ranger in charge of that area with a similar question, and I'll post that here as soon as I hear back.
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Old 04-23-2009, 12:55 PM   #45
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Alright, heard back.

My e-mail:
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Originally Posted by Charlie S
Dear Mr. Levy,

I've been following the opening up of Silver Lake Mountain to climbing
for a couple weeks now, and will finally be able to head up there this
weekend. However, I have a couple questions, and I want to make sure I
do everything right (seeing that this is a new area, and the last thing I
need to do is mess it up for future climbers).

I'm familiar with the Adirondacks and climbing, but heading to a new
climbing area with no trails on what I assume is "easement" land is
something I haven't done before, and I'm trying to get guidance on what
the owners' do's and don't's are.

I'll put my questions in number order for ease:
1) Is the land below the cliffs also open for backcountry camping? From
what I've gathered, some of the cliffs are quite a bushwhack in, I was
thinking about hiking in Friday, camping out, and then getting a full day
of climbing on Saturday, then hike out that evening. (I abide by the
carry-in-carry-out policy, and would refrain from campfires).
2) I have some GPS software that shows a couple trails/unpaved roads
roaming through certain parts of the region (Garmin GPS software).
However, my NatGeo GPS software does not show these roads/trails. Is my
Garmin software erroneous or are they unmarked for a reason?

Thanks for your time. I greatly appreciate it.

Sincerely,
Lawrence Stoker
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Lawrence-
Thanks for asking for info on this. The lands you are asking about are
easement lands. The lands are currently owned by Lyme Adirondack Timber.
The State of NY has acquired a easement which includes recreation rights
on these lands which are referred to as easement "A" lands since there
were two separate easement sections we purchased. In order for the state
to develop or allow development of any facilities on these lands a
recreation plan must be developed in consultation with the land owner.

Answer to question #1 At this time there is no public camping on any of
the Lyme Easement lands.

Answer to question #2 I am not sure that I understand your question but
there are no roads on the easement lands that are open to public at this
time for use with motor vehicles. These roads you speak of may be used as
walking trails if they exist.
Looks like I won't be bushwhacking in Friday night. On the plus side, at least the land across the street IS state land and I can camp on that. Saves me the 3 hour drive Saturday morning.
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Old 04-23-2009, 01:21 PM   #46
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Good job Larry/Charlie/Charles/Chuck/Lawrence . (which name do you prefer?)
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Old 04-23-2009, 03:18 PM   #47
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Charlie. Long story.
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Old 04-23-2009, 03:21 PM   #48
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Charlie. Long story.
I was gonna ask about that. I think I'll start calling you Lawrence from now on.
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Old 04-23-2009, 04:49 PM   #49
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Tyler, we've hung out long enough now that you should know my full name. I know yours! Or maybe I'm just a stalker type.
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Tyler, we've hung out long enough now that you should know my full name. I know yours! Or maybe I'm just a stalker type.
I have a hard enough time remembering names in general, without adding middle names and such...buttttt, I do recall, now that you've reminded me, some interesting tidbits of info about your name(s).

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Old 04-23-2009, 05:38 PM   #51
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If I am correctly comparing the photo to the map it seems that the section labeled 15 in Jim's photo can be reached from the summmit trail. If that is correct then the Mud Pond cliff is about a half mile bushwhack from that trail.
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Old 04-23-2009, 06:51 PM   #52
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...some interesting tidbits of info about your name(s).

Back to rock climbing now?
What about some names for the new routes? Many of the routes I've done seemed to be randomly assigned, whatever was on their mind at the time things. Mind as well come up with the some really good ones with the communal mind of the forum...

I think Rockaholic is a classic name. Probably one of the best route names I've heard yet.
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Old 04-23-2009, 11:05 PM   #53
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To date I haven't named any routes. Hopefully that changes on Saturday.
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Old 04-24-2009, 09:52 AM   #54
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FYI from the DEC regarding Peregrine Falcons at Silver Lake Mountain. Many of you already have this email (dated 4/21), but not everyone here may have been on distribution:

"We have received a couple reports of a pair of peregrine falcons observed on Silver
Lake Mountain, and this week I have observed a single peregrine on cliffs in the area.
New York State has acquired recreational rights on this parcel, and it will open to
public use tomorrow.

We will continue our efforts to locate a peregrine falcon nest site on Silver Lake
Mountain, but in the meantime rock climbers are advised to immediately desist climbing on
any cliff if they encounter nest defense behavior by peregrine falcons, including
prolonged wailing vocalization, circling overhead, or dive bombing. Please report any
such encounters to me, as this will help us to identify the exact nest ledge being used
by the falcons.

Thank You for your cooperation.

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Old 04-24-2009, 10:33 AM   #55
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Thanks TCD. I'd be honored to experience a Peregrine dive bombing me, but probably not in the middle of a move...
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Old 04-25-2009, 07:31 AM   #56
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Peregrines have been sighted at Midway Cliff. Closure could be possible there...watch the DEC web site.
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Old 04-25-2009, 06:54 PM   #57
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I saw peregrines catching thermals on cliff #1 (as labeled by Mr. Lawyer's cliff guide).

In addition, afterwards I was hiking up the actual mountain, and saw them there too. It was a windy day, perhaps they were just floating around? Didn't see them nest anywhere though.

In terms of the area though, wow, these cliffs have some great potential. Trip report and photos coming in a little bit!

Quick synopsis: Thunderstorms night before do not help in climbing. (Didn't climb anything, just looked. Carried the full pack though, so at least it felt like I was doing something).

Mud pond cliff: STEEP. Like overhanging steep.
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Excellent Charlie.
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Old 04-26-2009, 05:57 PM   #59
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Trip report here.
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Old 05-18-2009, 07:42 PM   #60
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Just wanted to let everyone engaged in this thread know about my trip to Taylor Pond and my opinion of these cliffs from the road.

Amazing.

Mud Pond Cliffs appear to be the best bet, and the jeep trail to the north/northwest of Mud Pond should be entirely on the easement, meaning we are allowed to enter there. However, basedon the map Cold Toes showed me in email, it appears that the jeep trail eventually comes back on private property.

From the road the cliffs are very impressive. And numerous. Between Silver Lake Mt and Potter I assume we have as much exposed, vertical granite as Poke-O and possibly more. It just won't be easy to get to all of it, and not from one central spot or trail. You can get to the potter cliffs by turning down one of the side roads on the opposite side of the Taylor Pond campground entrance, but you'll need to know exactly where along the road it's public. A lot of the old posted signs where it's now public have not been changed or removed.

I'm guessing some of the cliffs are 50-100' on Silver Lake Mt. Never got close enough to eyeball and routes, or to check the integrity of the rock. It looks like these cliffs have been there a while and there wasn't much evidence that they're breaking apart. As far as whether there's some good crack climbs, etc, I couldn't say. Mud Pond Cliffs are probably 100-150', and some of the stuff off in the distance between Silver Lake Mt and Potter, and on Potter Mountain, looked huge (like 200').

IMG8103 is Mud Pond Cliffs

IMG8106 are the cliffs between Silver Lake Mt and Potter Mt. Both shots taken from the side of the road near Taylor Pond campground.
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