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Old 06-27-2016, 07:19 PM   #1
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Boreas Ponds biking

Until the purchase is classified, is it ok to bike to Boreas Ponds?
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Old 06-27-2016, 07:45 PM   #2
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A couple months ago when a friend & I backpacked in, the DEC website mentioned "public foot traffic only, horses & bikes prohibited". Now it says:
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DEC is in the process of developing interim plans to provide trails, parking lots and waterway access sites for public use in the summer. With this announcement, the public may access and recreate on the lands and waters by non-motorized means only while a full management plan is developed.
http://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/42077.html
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:07 PM   #3
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Ride in while you can before it's locked up!
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Old 06-28-2016, 10:51 AM   #4
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Can Jenny ride her own bicycle or would she have to ride on yours?
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Old 06-28-2016, 11:00 AM   #5
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Can Jenny ride her own bicycle or would she have to ride on yours?
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She does her best to try & keep up with me...
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Old 06-30-2016, 06:34 PM   #6
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I saw no reason why not to bike to Boreas Ponds. Indeed, there was a generic DEC sign at the gate saying biking is permitted on roads everywhere except in wilderness areas. So, off I went. Slight uphill much of the way but nothing difficult. The view at the first pond is, indeed, jaw dropping. But that's the only one.
It's possible to keep going around the ponds, coming back on the "winter" road, as it is called. Other bikers showed me the way.
The classification war will start soon. After today, I vote for allowing bikes and cars on the road to the first pond only. It's a long shlep to carry a boat and the ponds are not that extensive. The views from the ponds, however, are extraordinary and the best way to appreciate this exceptional spot. The road is in excellent shape.
Unlike Essex Chain of Lakes, I see no reason to keep the other roads open to bikes as there are no views or anything of special interest for bikers. Classifying the rest wilderness would be good.
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Old 07-03-2016, 10:13 PM   #7
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Zach,
Thanks for the compliment...sometimes I get lucky!!
That part of the road is about half way between the Lebiere Flow views and the bridge at the Boreas Ponds dam. There is a small watercourse next to the road, with a partially collapsed culvert running under the road. The water on the road was maybe 3 inches deep at most. The day before had torrential rains, so I would guess that the spot would dry up in a day or two. The water was still overflowing onto the road when we passed through. It must be a frequent occurrence, you can see in the photo (with hickoryskier, not MDB) a saw horse with flagging to warn of a problem. The road was plenty firm, so even though it was not a problem, it sure looks good in the brochure!
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Old 07-07-2016, 07:41 PM   #8
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I'm guessing everyone on this thread has conveniently missed this notice on DEC's website:

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Boreas Ponds Tract
•The State of New York has completed the purchase of the tract. (4/15)
•While DEC develops an interim recreation plan, access to the tract will be limited to foot traffic only beyond the closed gate. Motor vehicles, bikes and horses are prohibited. (4/15)
•Additionally, the public is prohibited from trespassing in and around the lodge on Boreas Pond and the leased hunting camps. (4/15)
It is found on DEC's trail condition page for the High Peaks region.
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Old 07-07-2016, 08:06 PM   #9
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I'm guessing everyone on this thread has conveniently missed this notice on DEC's website:



It is found on DEC's trail condition page for the High Peaks region.
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That was back in April.
You must have missed the latest update:
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"May 2016: Governor Cuomo announced that the 20,758-acre purchase of the Boreas Ponds Tract caps acquisition of 69,000 acres of lands from The Nature Conservancy. DEC is in the process of developing interim plans to provide trails, parking lots and waterway access sites for public use in the summer. With this announcement, the public may access and recreate on the lands and waters by non-motorized means only while a full management plan is developed."]May 2016: Governor Cuomo announced that the 20,758-acre purchase of the Boreas Ponds Tract caps acquisition of 69,000 acres of lands from The Nature Conservancy. DEC is in the process of developing interim plans to provide trails, parking lots and waterway access sites for public use in the summer. With this announcement, the public may access and recreate on the lands and waters by non-motorized means only while a full management plan is developed."
Here's the updated link:
http://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/42077.html
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Old 07-07-2016, 08:17 PM   #10
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Ok thanks for your update.
When in doubt one can always call the NYSDEC office in Ray Brook at 518-897-1200, or try the Warrensburg office at 518-623-1200.

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Old 07-07-2016, 08:09 PM   #11
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Says nothing about bikes.

The notice I posted was originally publicized in April, yes, but the page is updated weekly. Most recently today.
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Old 07-07-2016, 08:19 PM   #12
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Have you done so?
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Old 07-07-2016, 08:21 PM   #13
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Have you done so?
Not since a couple months ago when I called before heading in to get clarification on the vague notice posted on their website.
How about you?
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Old 07-07-2016, 08:24 PM   #14
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I can read the plain English on the website that says "no bikes" without pretending it means something else.

If you call and it turns out the website is wrong, you might suggest an update.
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Old 07-07-2016, 08:32 PM   #15
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I can read the plain English on the website that says "no bikes" without pretending it means something else.

If you call and it turns out the website is wrong, you might suggest an update.
Wow!

Respectfully, it says in plain English in the link that you provided that it was last updated "4/15" for the Boreas Tract. There's nothing in the updated link that says "no bikes".
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Old 07-07-2016, 08:39 PM   #16
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Better keep those evil bikes off that 12 foot wide, graded, mad-made gravel road. God only knows what they could do to the environs!

Until the state gives it a designation, I don't see it as a big deal...
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Old 07-07-2016, 08:55 PM   #17
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Wow!

Respectfully, it says in plain English in the link that you provided that it was last updated "4/15" for the Boreas Tract. There's nothing in the updated link that says "no bikes".
I'm sure you're a good guy, no ill wishes here.

But to be absolutely clear, the link I posted was updated today. Otherwise known as July 7, 2016 A.D. No bikes allowed. Clear, unambiguous, easy to understand. The link you posted never mentions the word bike at all. You're imagining loopholes where none exist.
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Old 07-23-2016, 08:57 AM   #18
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And, as I said in my 2nd post, there is nothing at the first gate about no bikes. There is, a sign, however, stqting bikes are permitted in non-wilderness areas.
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Old 07-23-2016, 10:39 AM   #19
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Probably nothing posted explicitly forbidding mountain boards either or hovercraft, soap-box derby cars, wheeled sofas, and other rolling stock. None of 'em are "public motor vehicles" with the exception of the hovercraft but you can claim you're barely touching the ground.

/sarcasm
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Old 07-23-2016, 03:47 PM   #20
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Probably nothing posted explicitly forbidding mountain boards either or hovercraft, soap-box derby cars, wheeled sofas, and other rolling stock. None of 'em are "public motor vehicles" with the exception of the hovercraft but you can claim you're barely touching the ground.

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If I pull a couch in with a canoe cart to camp and pull it out is it OK?


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