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Old 12-24-2011, 09:19 AM   #1
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looking for insulated mid layer

have the base layer and storm shell covered but i am looking for an insulated mid layer...not looking to spend a fortune but rather "money well spent"...i am also assuming that i am looking for an "insulated layer"...maybe i should call it a " warmth layer"...any ideas..thanks
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Old 12-24-2011, 09:42 AM   #2
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Microfleece vest for starters, preferably made with Merino Wool
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:58 PM   #3
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Money well spent can mean investment. If you want something that is functional and lasts a lifetime look at wool garments by Empire Canvas Works.

http://www.empirecanvasworks.com/insulation.htm
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Old 12-24-2011, 01:45 PM   #4
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Another good place to obtain wool for "money well spent" is thrift stores... you can usually find a wool garment or two for pretty cheap at many thrift stores. I got a nice Pendleton shirt at a thrift store in Brooklyn a few weeks ago for 7 bucks... (Pendletons typically retail for like 50-60 or even 100 dollars!). Find the right garment and you can both stay warm and look classy...

Army-Navy surplus stores are also a good place to look. I have a nice wool officers sweater that I bought at the Army-Navy surplus store in Saranac Lake a few years ago. I often carry it on overnights in late fall, winter, and early spring.

Another option is fleece- but you should never pay top dollar for fleece. Cheap fleece jackets/vests/hoodies are just as functional as any fleece made by a name brand store. I have a fleece hoody that I carry as an optional insulation layer on winter hikes. Look on google's shopping search, there are plenty of fleece hoodies available for less than 20 dollars.
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Old 12-24-2011, 03:32 PM   #5
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Arc'Teryx makes the Atom LT jacket and SV hoody. Both are synthetic insulation,very compressible for packing in a pack also Rab Generator or the Photon jacket are also very good synthetic mid layer insulators.
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Old 12-24-2011, 09:15 PM   #6
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Sierra Trading Post has a great selection of Smartwool and Icebreaker wool sweaters. Best time to buy is in summer when their stock is most varied.
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Old 12-24-2011, 09:16 PM   #7
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And they're discounted!
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Old 12-25-2011, 08:45 AM   #8
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How are you planning to use the three-layer system? If you are hiking strenuously or climbing mountains, you will probably find that you are overdressed and soon to be overheated. If you are standing around, then three layers might be OK.

Experienced active hikers learn to dress light to avoid overheating and excess sweating. Then when you stop, add a layer which absorbs the sweat and you'll be nice and dry when you restart activity.
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Old 12-25-2011, 09:43 PM   #9
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How are you planning to use the three-layer system? If you are hiking strenuously or climbing mountains, you will probably find that you are overdressed and soon to be overheated. If you are standing around, then three layers might be OK.
Yep- I'm typically comfortable with just my base and shell layers on while I'm moving. Only occasionally, when it's colder than normal, do I hike while also wearing an insulation layer. Usually, I keep my insulating layers in my pack, readily accessible so I can throw them on when I stop for lunch or to take pictures on the summit of a peak...
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Old 12-25-2011, 10:27 PM   #10
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Patagonia nanopuff pullover. I love mine...best gear investment I made this year. Warm, packable and light. During the fall it made a great outer later and will be a great mid-layer on winter's coldest days. If you search around you can find one for around $100. Best thing is it has a lifetime gaurantee.
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Old 12-26-2011, 11:20 AM   #11
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thanks for everones input...i fully understand the layering theory and over insullating causes major problums with the sweating factor...i now wear two layers of terramar base layers(helix crew+txo 3.0 zip) plus gore tex storm shell..what i am looking for is that extra layer to have with me(on or in bag) in case storm shell too much or something extra under storm shell for extreme cold..of course i always carry my down parka too..have been leaning towards the nano pufff pullover(or someting similair) thanks
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Old 12-26-2011, 02:45 PM   #12
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You might also check out www.wintertrekking.com

Those folk are mostly pulling sleds with 70-100 lbs of gear on snowshoes. Sweat management is a major factor even at minus forty.. and they are good at it.

I think fleece might be much more usable if it had good ventilation too. Not necessarily pit zips but more of a waistband that could be cinched up for cold and allowed to relax for hot. I find on the whole fleece does a rotten job of moisture management.
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Old 12-26-2011, 03:49 PM   #13
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thanks for everones input...i fully understand the layering theory and over insullating causes major problums with the sweating factor...i now wear two layers of terramar base layers(helix crew+txo 3.0 zip) plus gore tex storm shell..what i am looking for is that extra layer to have with me(on or in bag) in case storm shell too much or something extra under storm shell for extreme cold..of course i always carry my down parka too..have been leaning towards the nano pufff pullover(or someting similair) thanks
OK, now I understand. For this use I would recommend the Patagonia R2 fleece jacket. It weighs about 13 oz and is my "go to" cover up when lightly dressed and a great mid layer under a shell. Another choice, heavier weight, is the MH Monkey Man jacket. I think the nanopuff would be too warm to use as a mid layer. Also, the jacket style is a lot easier to handle than the pullover when changing on the trail.
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Old 12-26-2011, 07:18 PM   #14
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I just love my nanopuff. Also here is a plug for any base with polar fleece powerdry like the r1. Cabelas has that stuff cheap.
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