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Old 09-20-2010, 09:41 AM   #1
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Cougar sightings...

These maps are kind of strange. Why such a difference in patterns between the two decades? They are condensed in one area in the 80s and then spread out in the 90s, while becoming mostly absent in previously condensed areas, like the northeast corner (Clinton Cty).



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Old 09-20-2010, 10:11 AM   #2
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Old 09-20-2010, 12:53 PM   #3
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I blame the internet!
Did you see the picture of that house cat that was mistaken for a black panther a week or two ago? Hilarious... it got picked up by the media even though a plume of goldenrod it was walking by was bigger than its head.
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Old 09-20-2010, 03:28 PM   #4
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These maps are kind of strange. Why such a difference in patterns between the two decades? They are condensed in one area in the 80s and then spread out in the 90s, while becoming mostly absent in previously condensed areas, like the northeast corner (Clinton Cty).
Perhaps this (in the attached pic) is what they're seeing.

I remember a person who identified starlings as crows and we were within 50 feet of them.

Is there a link for the maps/data?

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Old 09-21-2010, 12:13 PM   #5
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I blame the internet!
That actually makes some sense.. but the internets weren't much of an influence until late 90s. And a bigger rumor mill would only explain the spread of sightings not the disappearances from certain areas...

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Perhaps this (in the attached pic) is what they're seeing.

I remember a person who identified starlings as crows and we were within 50 feet of them.

Is there a link for the maps/data?

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I found the maps here: http://rotw.ez-landingpage.com/

Not sure where the data came from. And you're right they could all be false positive IDs and hoaxes... that's why I'm wondering if the pattern of sightings relates to how reliable they are. Are these areas with lots of bobcats, dogs, which areas are private/public, etc. I'm trying to figure out the sampling biases... And yea I would like to see the actual reports but I haven't been able to find them.
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Old 09-21-2010, 12:24 PM   #6
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Earlier in the summer I was SURE I saw a coyote sneak across the road in front of me. The tail was down and it was moving in coyote fashion. I slowed to a stop where the "coyote" had crossed, looked into the woods to see a doe and a fawn (the "coyote") standing there calm and nonchalantly. I was embarrassed, but it was a healthy reminder that I should never trust first fleeting glimpses!
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Old 09-21-2010, 12:34 PM   #7
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It's interesting that on either map, there are pretty much zero sightings in the High Peaks.
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Old 09-21-2010, 01:10 PM   #8
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It's interesting that on either map, there are pretty much zero sightings in the High Peaks.
Yea I was thinking the same thing. none over the entire 40 yrs.

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Old 09-21-2010, 01:37 PM   #9
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It's interesting that on either map, there are pretty much zero sightings in the High Peaks.
... if there were cougars, would there be much for them to eat there? Also, wouldn't the high concentrations of people cause them to shy away?
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Old 09-21-2010, 01:59 PM   #10
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The high peaks, imho, seem to be poor mountain lion habitat. Estimated deer population densities (when estimates are reported) are the lowest of the low.

Yes, in certain small pocket areas, deer densities can be higher.
Perhaps deer densities in the 'dacks will become higher as habitat changes over time - e.g., large forest fires, cutting, disease etc. killing off large stands of trees etc.

The habitat for large carnivores to thrive and populate is where the food source is plentiful (deer). Unfortunately that takes them in very close proximity to high densities of homo sapiens (ho saps) and we all know what happens when they come near human settlements or even are suspected of being near.
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Old 09-21-2010, 09:55 PM   #11
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It's interesting that on either map, there are pretty much zero sightings in the High Peaks.
As opposed to the single piece of confirmed evidence in the Daks, in Keene Valley in '93,

http://www.cougarnet.org/northeast-desc/11-93.htm

http://www.cougarnet.org/northeast.html

http://www.cougarnet.org/totalus.html
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Old 09-21-2010, 10:26 PM   #12
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Unfortunately that takes them in very close proximity to high densities of homo sapiens (ho saps) and we all know what happens when they come near human settlements or even are suspected of being near.
Depends on the state and how well first-responders understand the threat, which experienced wildlife officials - and a knowledgeable public - understand is tiny. California can be downright casual about residential incidents,

http://easterncougar.org/CougarNews/?p=2264

http://www.morganhilltimes.com/news/...y-lake-estates
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Old 09-22-2010, 09:03 AM   #13
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Just so I'm clear..............we're talking 4 legged cougars,right?
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Old 09-26-2010, 01:06 PM   #14
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The high peaks, imho, seem to be poor mountain lion habitat. Estimated deer population densities (when estimates are reported) are the lowest of the low.

Yes, in certain small pocket areas, deer densities can be higher.
Perhaps deer densities in the 'dacks will become higher as habitat changes over time - e.g., large forest fires, cutting, disease etc. killing off large stands of trees etc.

The habitat for large carnivores to thrive and populate is where the food source is plentiful (deer). Unfortunately that takes them in very close proximity to high densities of homo sapiens (ho saps) and we all know what happens when they come near human settlements or even are suspected of being near.
Not necessarily...we just know that when they cause problems, they are near human settlements, not vice versa. Hard to say how often they are nearby without peoples' knowledge.
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Old 12-30-2010, 09:23 AM   #15
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Not the Adirondacks buy here is a Cougar eating a mountain goat and another of his sleeping not far from the carcass
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Old 12-30-2010, 10:05 PM   #16
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Oh, I've seen lots of those in the Adirondacks. I thought they were coyotes. :-)
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Old 12-31-2010, 07:38 PM   #17
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Oh, I've seen lots of those in the Adirondacks. I thought they were coyotes. :-)
That's a funny response
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Old 01-14-2011, 07:58 PM   #18
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Ive seen a lion in north georgia.Absolutly.So why not the Dacks.Personal sightings are always sketchy,but someones word must be taken,right?
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Old 01-14-2011, 09:05 PM   #19
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Yeah, but say you saw one and most folks will look at you funny!
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Old 01-15-2011, 09:16 AM   #20
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Even if I do see one, I'm not going to tell anyone unless I've got the pictures or other evidence to back it up to convince skeptics like me!
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