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View Poll Results: Do you ever burn waste in a campfire? | |||
No, never! |
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28 | 29.79% |
Yeah, if I can incinerate it to nonexistence! |
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66 | 70.21% |
Voters: 94. You may not vote on this poll |
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#81 |
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Join Date: May 2007
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Yes, I am very familiar with the amount of "stuff" that tends to end up at Pharaoh Lake.
![]() I encountered a group that hauled an ice chest on a cart to Pharaoh Lake once. They indicated that it weighed about 200 pounds, filled with ice and venison (and probably a fair amount of beer). I'm sure they exaggerated on the weight a little bit, but if you took one look at the chest, it was pretty obvious that it wasn't light. To their credit, the site was absolutely spotless when they left. I'm pretty sure they even carried out a bunch of garbage that wasn't theirs. |
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Syracuse, NY
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200lbs would probably only be a slight exaggeration. Some of those large coolers can hold well over 100 cans of bear, and weigh 20lbs empty. If it was a 100quart+ cooler, its not hard to imagine it being 120-200lbs, depending how full it was. I've digressed a bit, but its fun to talk about how crazy people are. ![]()
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#83 |
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Schenectady NY
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Interesting post. Burning garbage aside, I'm actually surprised by the number of members that don't have fires.
For me, sitting by the fire as the sun sets after a great day of hiking or paddling is a huge part of the experience. Im not sure I could give that up.
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Join Date: May 2007
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Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 160
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Despite the wording of the poll I think it's great that this thread keeps bubbling to the top because is a discussion worth having. |
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#87 |
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Join Date: May 2006
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Ok, Montcalm was right, I am a hypocrite!
I was out camping with an Adkforum member (who doesn't post much anymore), and I got busted blowing my nose into toilet paper and then disposing in the campfire, and it was "very gooey"! So it appears that I should've voted yes to this poll instead of no... I guess I do burn my gooey trash instead of carrying it out. ![]() |
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#88 |
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,842
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The path to redemption leads to the highest (in)sights.
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#89 |
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 145
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All Plastics is not the same
PET (soda bottles) when burned break down into only water vapor, oxygen, and carbon (soot) It is quite friendly to burn. You will need to make sure it has no label or label glue or tamper evident cap ring ....if you are looking for a LNT burn
PVC, by comparison, when burned at a low temperature, such as on a campfire, gives off dioxin which is carcinogenic. That would be "leave big trace" In the old days, some water bottles were PVC, but now most are PET. The code on the bottom tells you the composition. So, if you choose to burn plastic, it is important to bring the right plastic. btw, most paper food wrappers (like oatmeal pouches) are lined with plastic to make them heat sealable. So don't think you're burning only paper when you're not. This plastic is PE. I answered yes to burning but often don't make a fire at all. And burning a Poland Spring 8oz water bottle to avoid carrying the weight out of the woods is comical logic. Some times I burn a candle and that comes from crude oil and gives off pollution too! I might switch to beeswax or a canola oil lamp. |
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#90 |
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Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 207
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"Minimize Campfire Impacts" and "Dispose of Waste Properly" are 2 of my rules.
Burning trash is a leftover sentiment from when you had to burn the tin off your cans so that they'd rust in the can dump behind the shelter. |
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Syracuse, NY
Posts: 116
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PET is used to make polyester and a few other materials, its not a super clean process, but its still pretty awesome. PET is fairly LNT all around to be honest. So if you're wearing a polyester fleece, you are basically wearing a bunch of soda bottles. ![]()
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Join Date: Aug 2012
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I suppose I'd like to ask about food. Generally, I don't throw food in the fire, but there's always an occasional spill from a pot or a dropped piece that gets tossed in. If food items are "completely" burned, wouldn't you just be left with carbon? What's so different between a stick and a stick of celery, for example?
Obviously unburned food left behind is an issue, but are there some foods that are harmful even in a completely burned state? I'm curious to know, depending on the answer it would be pretty easy to switch jobs and just let my wife do the cooking, then everything would be completely burned for sure. |
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#93 | |
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Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,403
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The second issue is that a lot of people who burn food fail to ensure that it is fully consumed by the fire, so once the site is vacated, you've got food scraps left behind in the fire pit. Again, this can lead to problems with negative human-wildlife encounters. It's also worth nothing that the DEC regulations are pretty clear that only dead and downed wood may be burned. It is a violation to burn any garbage, even paper. |
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Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 878
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I actually put my gooey nose papers in my pocket and let them dry out for the next trip. Makes for excellent tinder ![]() FWIW I am the guy who says something when I'm with people who throw food or plastic or bottles or cans in the fire. I'll make them pick it out. It's not an argument I ever lose. |
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Northern VT and Northern ADK
Posts: 347
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My guess (as an environmental chemist) is that burning PET plastic at regular campfire temps has the potential of creating PAH's (polyaromatic hydrocarbons) and aldehydes, which isn't nice to breathe can be toxic to wildlife and humans. The absence of chlorine in the structure does prevent the nasty dioxins, but I still would pack the PET plastic out.
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: West coast of New England
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#97 |
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Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Orwell NY
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Outdoor burning of trash is prohibited in NY anyway, so I think it would be best not to. If I carry it in I can carry it out and that has worked for me so far.
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Syracuse, NY
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whatever booger burner
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