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Old 03-28-2017, 05:28 PM   #41
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The worst is going to be the weather. Even if you love skiing/snowmobiling and all of that, it gets to a point where you just want to be able to go outside without wearing 5 layers of clothing. The constant feeling of being cold gets old around February. DST helps, but even in the southern adirondacks it is a good 10 degrees colder than Albany at all times. And then there's that wind...

Technology helps to stay connected, but social interaction is important, especially during the winter months. Keep busy and avoid cabin fever.

There's going to be stores to get groceries and those kind of items. Order what you can online. I've never understood why people make trips to WalMart to save money. It costs 54 cents a mile to drive an average car when factoring in all expenses, so you're really not saving much by making that extra trip.
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Old 03-29-2017, 01:46 PM   #42
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Over the last 50 years the character of the park has continued to change. Second home communities and other realty ventures have brought in a wealthy demographic with more evolved expectations and needs. You may argue that this is the history of the park, the wealthy and pass through community has defined the park for over a century....but what has happened recently is that the individual footprint is smaller and consequently there are more individual toeholds. In the past the landholders held larger tracts of land. They blocked what we see now...many homes spread out over larger parts of the park. The traffic that was unique to the Southern park is becoming the norm for the Northern areas.
I always encourage folks that are hellbent on living inside the boundaries to look just outside of them. Saint Lawrence County is desperately in need of new residents and tax dollars. With 4 colleges as the largest employers the communities they are located in (Pdam, Canton) carry significant municipal burden with very little contribution from their largest landowners. These towns have everything going for them..restaurants, hotels, sports, theater, music, stores...anything that you might want to try and find in the park (you won't) is there.... real estate prices are extremely fair although taxes are (within the villages) are relatively high...
The area is quaint and access to the park is literal minutes...hunting, fishing, hiking are all accessible....

The drive from Pdam to LP is a bit over an hour.....
I'd live there 10 times over before considering the Southern end of the park....

Ottawa, Montreal are also close by so if you need the big city fix, cross the bridge. That's what the locals do...
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Old 03-29-2017, 02:21 PM   #43
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I'd live there 10 times over before considering the Southern end of the park....
Just wondering what you consider to be the "Southern end of the park".
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Old 03-29-2017, 02:28 PM   #44
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I'd personally love to move to northern, NY, north of the blue line, but the job market sucks, unless you want to drive to Montreal.

I can't say the job market is much better to the south either... but at least there is some tech industry revival in Rome.
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Old 03-29-2017, 05:42 PM   #45
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The "Park" changed dramatically with the advent of the Adirondack Park Commission.
I really can't say that I disagree with their concepts.
But the Commission severely limited small and medium sized businesses.
Big Tupper ski area is an example.
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Old 03-29-2017, 06:19 PM   #46
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Big Tupper limited itself.

Lack of natural snow. Lack of terrain. Better skiing an hour away. Plus it costs a fortune to operate a ski area. Even harder to do and make any money.

Big Tupper's fate was sealed like many other ski areas that have died in NY. The area can only support so many.

To say there aren't successful medium sized businesses in the park is ludicrous. There just needs to be a market. If anything the APA has protected the small businesses against the influx of corporate America. If the APA didn't have the restrictions it did we'd see the populated areas of the park looking like suburban anywhere else. Lake Placid is almost already there - not sure how they get away with it... Lake George would be and you clearly see the line where you go from big chain stuff to small business as you cross the line from Queensbury to LG.

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Old 03-30-2017, 11:20 AM   #47
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Not sure I would ever move back to Canton. Lived there four years. To get to a city we went to Ottawa. Now that Homeland Security is making things unpleasant I would not want to cross the border every week like we used to.
It was a good four hour drive to the "southern Adirondacks"

No things haven't changed there much but the Amish are doing well. Back in the sixties no one did well.
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Old 03-31-2017, 08:26 AM   #48
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My wife and I are planning our retirement to the LP area or Raquette Lake. I have been talking to a potential employer since August and my wife works from home for a security software company.
Its great to hear that someone else is considering the same thing we are.
We currently live in a small town and love it. For the amount of time we spend in those areas every year, we just decided to plan the move.
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Old 03-31-2017, 05:00 PM   #49
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Big Tupper limited itself.

Lack of natural snow. Lack of terrain. Better skiing an hour away. Plus it costs a fortune to operate a ski area. Even harder to do and make any money.

Big Tupper's fate was sealed like many other ski areas that have died in NY. The area can only support so many.

To say there aren't successful medium sized businesses in the park is ludicrous. There just needs to be a market. If anything the APA has protected the small businesses against the influx of corporate America. If the APA didn't have the restrictions it did we'd see the populated areas of the park looking like suburban anywhere else. Lake Placid is almost already there - not sure how they get away with it... Lake George would be and you clearly see the line where you go from big chain stuff to small business as you cross the line from Queensbury to LG.
Mt Morris (Big Tupper Ski Area) has the terrain and could have been competitive if only the APA had approved their plans for controlled development. Snowmaking, residences on the lower mountain.
May I add that the development of Tupper would have put them in direct competition of Gore and Whiteface. State owned ski areas.

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Old 03-31-2017, 05:34 PM   #50
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Not sure if anyone else has a similar experience, but I actually found the winters to be easier up north than down south. I lived north of the blue line and now I live south of the blue line.

Living up north it was much colder, snowier and the winter was longer. However, once the weather started getting cold, it stayed cold. When winter came you made an internal adjustment in your attitude and you were prepared for it. Long underwear, the right coat, gloves, hat, etc. were all part of your daily life.

Down here in the south the winter is a mess. Cold, then warm. Many days you wear your fleece. When you need a winter coat you feel like it's a hassle to get it out so you freeze for a day in the fleece. The snow is not pretty for very long before it gets plowed, dirty, rained on, etc.

Maybe climate change has something to do with it as well. It's been over 15 years since I lived north of the blue line and maybe winter is changing as much up there as it is down here.

Maybe I'm just getting older and crankier.

Either way, I found winters up north much more tolerable than winters down here. Right now I'm nearly going crazy looking forward to spring.
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Old 03-31-2017, 05:43 PM   #51
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Also, I'll second MGC's comments regarding the area north of the blue line. I lived in Stockholm between Potsdam and Massena and loved it. Potsdam is a great little town. Ottawa was "the city" although I hear boarder crossings are much slower now. 20 years ago they didn't even ask to see a drivers license half the time.
Plattsburgh, Canton, Ogdensburg, Cornwall, Tupper Lake, LP, Saranac, Watertown, Gouverneur were all reasonably accessible.
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Old 04-01-2017, 10:54 AM   #52
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Winters in Maine..today included with our 12 inches of April Fools joke are pretty easy.
You acquire a proper plow or plow service. There are lots of property managers who do plowing.

As there is plenty of snow removal equipment around getting out is easy.. Have to go shopping now.

Virtually no black ice. Connecticut was rife with it and not enough plows to do what needed to be done on local roads.

I do miss flowers.. Snowballs for Easter.
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Old 04-02-2017, 06:17 PM   #53
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I have to say that it's pretty amusing to read all the tourist accounts here of how isolated and hard life inside the blue line is.

You know what, you're all right. Really no reason for anyone else to move here.
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Old 04-02-2017, 09:36 PM   #54
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I have no plans. Have lakefront 2 acres with house. for 1/3 cost of LP housing. Yep I am a tourist in the ADKs but LP and Rt 3 traffic is really high in the summer compared to home.
I'll be happy in my town of 1400 in the foothills of the Whites in Maine.
We did not plan the move; job beckoned 17 years ago. And its all fine.
More snow coming tomorrow.
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Old 04-04-2017, 03:07 PM   #55
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I have to say that it's pretty amusing to read all the tourist accounts here of how isolated and hard life inside the blue line is.
We're all tourists given a long enough time scale.
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Old 04-04-2017, 08:59 PM   #56
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We're all tourists given a long enough time scale.
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Old 04-05-2017, 10:18 AM   #57
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The drive from Pdam to LP is a bit over an hour.....
I'd live there 10 times over before considering the Southern end of the park....
I've spent a lot of time up that way, Grandparents lived close to Potsdam, on the Grass River, and thats where my dad grew up.

Literally the only reason I am considering the southern end of the park, is to be able to commute to a particular job in Albany. I'm not sure if I could find anything in my field elsewhere in northern NY. But not entirely sure, and always a chance I could change careers.

Well I guess there is another reason, price. I just adjusted my location on realtor.com just to look for land using my exact same search, and my results dropped from 22 listings to 0. So that doesn't look promising.
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Old 04-06-2017, 11:32 AM   #58
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http://www.clarkson.edu/news/2017/ne...7-03-31-1.html

Some new opportunity for employment in the area. Of course it depends on the line of work you are looking for. Either way, it's a good sign for the region.

The CEO of LC Drives mentioned in the article is a former colleague of mine and his company was started in CT. I guess the incentives were enough to get him to pack up and move. He was a Clarkson grad so there is an additional connection for him.
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Old 04-06-2017, 04:00 PM   #59
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Mike Frazer currently has openings listed at Frazer Computing in Canton.
Mike is a super person, a high energy and skilled businessman with a tremendous growth record.
Mike is a "local" that returned home to grow his business in St. Lawrence County.

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Old 04-06-2017, 05:48 PM   #60
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If anything the APA has protected the small businesses against the influx of corporate America. If the APA didn't have the restrictions it did we'd see the populated areas of the park looking like suburban anywhere else. Lake Placid is almost already there - not sure how they get away with it...
Corporate America? Well, I'm not sure what big, bad corporate America would really try to exploit in the ADK's. Put a casino at Indian Lake? The only real corporate interests might be in raw materials (lumber and minerals), and companies have to jump through quite a few hoops to extract them on private holdings, so the opportunities are limited there.

I do know that many locals would appreciate there being more job opportunities inside the blue line, corporate or otherwise. The tourism industry is only viable as a full-year, economic stimulant for a few areas of the park; in most areas, the local towns and hamlets pretty much shut down for the winter and spring seasons. That's the balancing act with something like the ADK state park...you want to preserve its "wild" character, but there should also be economic opportunities for the locals. The APA has done okay with that balancing act in some aspects, but in other aspects some locals get fed up the bureaucratic red tape.

As for Lake Placid already being "there," yeah no kidding....it's a historic town located dead smack in the middle of good ski country, easily the most scenic parts of the Park (High Peaks), with Olympic training venues, and is only a short drive away from Lake Champlain. It has a bigger population and bigger tourist draw to support "corporate" businesses...and I'm willing to bet that most of the locals working those "corporate" jobs are very thankful for those sources of income. So I am very glad that the businesses in that area "get away with it," though I'm not really sure what "it" is supposed to mean.

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