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Old 06-23-2017, 03:33 PM   #1
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Bear Canister vs Ursack?

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I am considering buying either a bear canister or an ursack. I want it for backpacking in the southern Adirondacks and also car camping in the Moose River Plains. Which do you think would be best in these situations?

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Old 06-23-2017, 03:41 PM   #2
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Have had a BearVault for years, bought an Ursack this year. My back thinks its really going to like the Ursack. Bummer I 'm losing my backcountry seat though.
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Old 06-23-2017, 03:51 PM   #3
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Neither. Just a dry bag, some paracord and this simple technique will work all the time:

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Old 06-24-2017, 07:17 AM   #4
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except the ideal branch needed for the pct hang are rare and in the adks. for hanging in the adks, a two tree system is just as easy when one is used to it, and more effective at getting the bag the proper height, and distance from trunk and branch.
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Old 06-24-2017, 09:28 AM   #5
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I've never not been able to find a suitable tree, but to each his/her own.

Sometimes it takes a bit with the toss to get the right branch though. Make sure you do this well before dark. Trying with a headlamp can lead to frustration and/or injury.
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Old 06-24-2017, 05:09 PM   #6
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... I want it for backpacking in the southern Adirondacks and also car camping in the Moose River Plains. Which do you think would be best in these situations?
Bears are usually not a big problem in those areas, so I'd say either should be ok.
One advantage that I've seen with bear canisters on a backpacking trip is that it can also serve as a handy little seat, especially when there are no rocks or logs around to sit on.

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Old 06-24-2017, 05:44 PM   #7
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I've never not been able to find a suitable tree, but to each his/her own.

Sometimes it takes a bit with the toss to get the right branch though. Make sure you do this well before dark. Trying with a headlamp can lead to frustration and/or injury.
I teach a guide's training and certification course and the first night is most often a comical one when it comes to hanging of the bear bag. The lead student guide under evaluation is responsible to secure the food bag and all "smellables". Finding a suitable tree and branch is often only the first challenge. After that I have seen all sorts of objects thrown and stuck in the crotch of a tree or wrapped around a branch - shoes, water bottles, rocks, sticks and the rope itself. The most humorous event was when a fellow instructor brought a slingshot and fishing line (attached to pull over heavier line). He used a steel washer to shoot it over a branch. But the fishing line was to short, so the washer sprung back to the sender, striking him right in the middle of the forehead. So funny at the time. But all students eventually figure it out and do better the second night after all have had a good laugh at the first student's expense.
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Old 06-25-2017, 02:47 PM   #8
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I use both. The Bear Vault is most reliable I think. The Ursack I use in addition to the Bear Vault on long trips, or for ultralight /super long portage trips. So far so good.
Make sure to get odor proof liners and be careful about getting any scent on them. Bears will beat the hell out of that sack if they smell any food. They may not get in it if it is tied properly and the rope holds ,but all contents will be crushed.
I usually bear bag it, or when doing multiple carries on a portage -tie it to a tree low to the ground and camouflage it.
There are carrying cases for Bear Vaults that strap onto your pack. I am very glad I bought one!
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Old 06-25-2017, 05:09 PM   #9
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Neither. Just a dry bag, some paracord and this simple technique will work all the time:

Problem i find with pct method is bag doesnt hang very high
Bottom of bag often being about 5 ft off the ground
Ok to avoid most critters but well within reach of most bears
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Several years back I had two redesigned Ursack bags. They were redesigned specifically because of Adrirondack bears. Both bags were ripped open and I lost everything the first night while staying at Colden Lake.
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Problem i find with pct method is bag doesnt hang very high
Bottom of bag often being about 5 ft off the ground

You ain't doin' it right then.

I always make sure I can't reach the bag even when jumping.
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yeah, but you can't jump that high.
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