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Johnny V: Never heard of a bark spud but after looking at the pic it looks like it would be the cat's meow for peeling bark.
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Join Date: Nov 2013
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Not the same thing but we used a bark spud when we made our Iroquois bark house for a program I work with. We were able to coordinate our need for bark with a local lumber mill who'd just taken in a large number of basswood logs. We went in there in mass and worked for a week peeling logs and then hauling the bark back to our work site where the house was built. Without that bark spud, I think we'd still be there.
That's all for now. Take care and until next time...be well. snapper |
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Pine logs, newly peeled, collect everything. |
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Very cool! Thank you for sharing
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Hemlock bark was the old standard. That's interesting. |
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Hard Scrabble - Based on the Native folks we spoke with, the #1 preferred bark was elm but you can figure out how easy it would have been to find any of that. After that we were taught that basswood came next and then hemlock. My guess is that also will change based on where you're located and what's easily available.
That's all for now. Take care and until next time...be well. snapper |
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American Elm was pretty scarce in the ADK forest.
If one looks at photos and reads accounts, hemlock bark was the chosen material for bark roofs. Thanks for the well wishes. |
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#29 |
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HS - Use of hemlock in the northern forests makes a lot of sense. The house we built was down in central NYS (I say "was" because it was eventually consumed by powder post beetles).
Until next time...be well. snapper |
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The wood won't burn until dry and even then, doesn't give the heat of hardwoods. The wood is soft and was used for furniture. You may as well build your cabin of poplar. Actually, the best timber for log buildings would be cedar. Resistant to insects and decay. Last edited by Hard Scrabble; 07-15-2017 at 03:45 PM.. |
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Hard Scrabble - Sorry if I confused you...I'm not talking about using the logs for building a cabin. The longhouse is made using the tree's bark. There is an inner & outer framework of saplings with the bark sandwiched between the two. Essentially the entire structure was sheathed in bark; sides, ends and roof.
Here's a link that will take you to a site with sketches that should make what I'm trying to say a bit clearer: http://nativeamericannetroots.net/diary/1081 Hope that clears it up. Take care and until next time....be well. snapper |
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A "Longhouse" in the tradition of the Iroquois. I'm sure that the native Americans knew the longevity of their bark sheathing, and I think that they chose a softwood like Pine or Hemlock. The early ADK folks did the same thing when they chose Hemlock bark for their roof. |
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IIRC elm is also naturally rot resistant.
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Agreed, but American Elm was not widely found in the forests of the Iroquois.
Hemlock and Pine were. Last edited by Hard Scrabble; 07-18-2017 at 04:36 PM.. |
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Just curious, where did you glean this information? I would like to check it out.
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I have some BIG basswoods on my property and some small elm, or "el-um" as my uncle used to call it. Plenty of pine and hemlock too. In another thread I once asked on here about horse logging teams and I have since found one if anyone is interested. I plan to log some time in the next five years.
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I was going to stay out of this after already adding some comments but I'm finding that difficult so here goes...
Elm was indeed found throughout NYS where many Iroquois villages were located. Remember, these people lived across the state in a variety of habitat areas. In fact, no one really "lived" in the Adirondacks; they were hunting grounds. Also, because of the magnitude of elm that grew in Iroquois country, the bark was used for collecting baskets, canoes, spoons, cups and all sorts of other products that were used daily. Of course, today the elm is essentially gone; although a few still grow to a limited degree. That being said, after working briefly in a Native American program, I certainly understand why elm was the first choice of bark for a traditional longhouse. That's all for now. Take care and until next time...be well. snapper PS - I apologize for my role in taking this thread away from the original poster's topic. |
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I'll update this one next time I'm on my desktop where the info is...
http://www.adkforum.com/showthread.p...ht=draft+horse
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