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Old 04-16-2018, 11:29 AM   #1
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Bear Canister Questions

I'm new to the Daks and have read about Yellow Yellow and getting into bear canisters. I just have some questions on this. I read bits and pieces over time but wanted more on the story. Was Yellow Yellow the only bear to get into the canisters or were her offspring doing it as well? Was it other bears in the region as well? Did this happen many times or just a one time deal? I'm curious because Yellow Yellow was referenced on a different forum about bear canisters an I'd like to know the history with it.


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Old 04-16-2018, 02:07 PM   #2
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https://www.adirondackalmanack.com/2...-obituary.html

https://www.adirondackexplorer.org/s...eek-bear-facts

http://www.adkforum.com/archive/index.php/t-17847.html

https://gizmodo.com/were-in-a-techno...ood-1682344883

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/25/nyregion/25bear.html

https://rootsrated.com/stories/the-l...-infamous-bear

and of course:
https://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7225.html
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Old 04-16-2018, 06:09 PM   #3
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And, what do they now consider the best bear proof canister?
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If you read the NYSDEC web site, "they" don't recommend any one brand as the best, other than it has to be a hard side commercially made product designated for the purpose, so the ursack and other bag-like products do not qualify to satisfy the regulation.
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:57 PM   #5
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I knew the DEC doesn't and probably wouldn't recommend one but how about everyone else and other organizations?
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Old 04-16-2018, 08:17 PM   #6
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I knew the DEC doesn't and probably wouldn't recommend one but how about everyone else and other organizations?
Avoid BearVault- their models of canister are the ones that the bears figured out how to open. According to BearVault, there was at least one other bear in addition to Yellow-Yellow that learned how to open the canisters. There was a warning with this information posted on their website for some time, but it appears to have disappeared with a recent site redesign.

The most common model you'll see in use in the High Peaks is the Garcia canister. As bear canisters sizes go, this one is about a medium-large. It's possible to fit food for 2 people for a weekend in one, but it does take some planning and careful packaging.

There's a bunch of other models available, though- there's a good overview of some of them here: https://www.greenbelly.co/pages/best-bear-canisters
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Old 04-17-2018, 02:34 PM   #7
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Word has it that Yellow-Yellow taught her cubs to open the Bear Vaults, but I've never been witness. Bear Vaults are fine in other parts of the park that see fewer people than the High Peaks. A good hang in a tree will work just fine in these other areas, but some folks like to take a can along and the BV will be just fine.
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Old 04-17-2018, 05:24 PM   #8
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Avoid BearVault- their models of canister are the ones that the bears figured out how to open. According to BearVault, there was at least one other bear in addition to Yellow-Yellow that learned how to open the canisters. There was a warning with this information posted on their website for some time, but it appears to have disappeared with a recent site redesign.

The most common model you'll see in use in the High Peaks is the Garcia canister. As bear canisters sizes go, this one is about a medium-large. It's possible to fit food for 2 people for a weekend in one, but it does take some planning and careful packaging.

There's a bunch of other models available, though- there's a good overview of some of them here: https://www.greenbelly.co/pages/best-bear-canisters
Good extra info people need to know. Thanks for posting that.
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Old 04-18-2018, 12:18 PM   #9
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I have seen clear canisters, like Bear Vault or maybe actual Bear Vaults on display at Adirondack Loj and one of the provincial parks. Yellow-yellow supposedly figured out how to open but the ones on display were chewed through. The Garcia or similar design has always worked best for me.

I'd like to put reflective tape on it to make it easier to find if one of the critters moves it but am hesitant to put anything on it that would provide a grip.
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Old 04-18-2018, 01:11 PM   #10
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I saw a Garcia model (the heavy solid black one) at the Loj that had been chewed through along an edge by a red squirrel. The guy who rented it reported he observed the animal in action doing the damage over a period of time (couple of days?). IMO he should have been charged for the price of a new canister.
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Word has it that Yellow-Yellow taught her cubs to open the Bear Vaults, but I've never been witness. Bear Vaults are fine in other parts of the park that see fewer people than the High Peaks. A good hang in a tree will work just fine in these other areas, but some folks like to take a can along and the BV will be just fine.
When word of yellow-yellow's abilities were first reported, the statement from dec stated there was no evidence that she had taught her cubs. A few years later in articles the writers stated the opposite. As far as I know, no evidence she taught her cubs the trick was ever gathered.
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I have seen clear canisters, like Bear Vault or maybe actual Bear Vaults on display at Adirondack Loj and one of the provincial parks. Yellow-yellow supposedly figured out how to open but the ones on display were chewed through. The Garcia or similar design has always worked best for me.

I'd like to put reflective tape on it to make it easier to find if one of the critters moves it but am hesitant to put anything on it that would provide a grip.
Blaze orange spray enamel?
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Old 08-26-2018, 12:34 PM   #13
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A few years ago, a group of hikers arrived at Uphill Shelter with a tale of bear experience from one of the Lake Colden campsites. They heard what sounded like a bowling alley in the middle of the night and all their Garcias were intact (they had been used as bowling balls), but the found only the top of their only Bear Vault.
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Old 08-26-2018, 06:54 PM   #14
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I used a Bear Keg in Colorado. I bought it at EMS. It is a little heavier than some. The yellow color was super easy to find in the dark. It has a quarter turn thread top (3) that can be opened with coins. I put a couple dollars of quarters in my pack to make sure I wouldn't be without.
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So, I'm not sure if they are all Yellow-Yellows offspring, but the Bear Vault style (clear blue) canisters are pretty much useless in the Eastern High Peaks now. They all have figured our how to get in. I've never had an issue with my Backpackers Cache (yet) which is the solid black style. The most important message is to practice safe handling of food and always use the Bermuda Triangle rule, Cook, Clean and Sleep in different locations. I'll be putting mine to the test in less than 2 weeks as I head in to get Cliff and Redfield and will be camping in the vicinity of this years very active nuisance bear.

I also bought some reflective tape at a hardware store so I can find it in the dark. I also wrote my name as well as "No Bears Allowed" on the tape so I think I'm good.
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Yeah, they are persistent, I had a Red Squirrel chew his way into the top of a cooler over a few days while camping on an Island on Middle Saranac Lake. The joke was on him though, the lid was hollow so he only got through the first layer.
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I also wrote my name as well as "No Bears Allowed" on the tape so I think I'm good.
That'll do the trick! You can also urinate on it to mark your territory.
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That'll do the trick! You can also urinate on it to mark your territory.
Good idea. Until that bear comes looking for a fight with whoever is in HIS territory, and then his nose will lead him directly to your zipper!
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