Adirondack Forum  
Rules Membership Donations and Online Store Adkhighpeaks Foundation ADKhighpeaks Forums ADKhighpeaks Wiki Disclaimer

Go Back   Adirondack Forum > The Adirondack Forum > General Adirondack Discussion
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 03-13-2018, 06:36 PM   #1
Blackflie
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Quebec
Posts: 30
Hammock definition

I see that some wilderness areas have a limit on the number of tents that can occupy a designated site, and I totally get the reason. Are hammocks classified as tents? Arguably they are responsible for less soil compaction, mind you you have to put your feet on the ground at some point.
Blackflie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2018, 08:49 PM   #2
DuctTape
Out of Shape
 
DuctTape's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 1,737
Please point out an example wherw number of tents is limited. All regulations I have seen are for number of people.
__________________
"There's a whisper on the night-wind, there's a star agleam to guide us, And the Wild is calling, calling . . . let us go." -from "The Call of the Wild" by Robert Service

My trail journal: DuctTape's Journal
DuctTape is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2018, 09:00 PM   #3
Blackflie
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Quebec
Posts: 30
I noted it on the DEC Whitney Wilderness page

Entirely possible I am barking up the wrong trees

https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/9165.html
Blackflie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2018, 09:02 PM   #4
Terasec
Member
 
Terasec's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 118
I believe the two tent rule is for organized campgrounds not backcountry primitive sites
Terasec is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2018, 09:08 PM   #5
Terasec
Member
 
Terasec's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 118
Overnight group sizes of eight people or less using no more than three tents are allowed at all tent sites except for those on Lake Lila. Also the overnight group size may be nine people on Lake Lila.

Camping is only allowed at designated campsites in the Whitney Wilderness these are marked with yellow "Camp Here" disks.

See that now
So yes that specific area has restrictions
I would contact dec office to see if they consider a hammock a tent
My guess is they may not even know
Terasec is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2018, 09:30 PM   #6
Wldrns
Member
 
Wldrns's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Western Adirondacks
Posts: 3,737
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terasec View Post
I believe the two tent rule is for organized campgrounds not backcountry primitive sites
Negative.

https://govt.westlaw.com/nycrr/Docum...ta=(sc.Default)

6 CRR-NY 190.13
NY-CRR

190.13 Wilderness areas in the Adirondack Park.
(7) Primitive tent site means a tent site of an undeveloped character providing space for not more than three tents, which may have an associated pit privy and fire ring, designed to accommodate a maximum of eight people on a temporary or transient basis, and located so as to accommodate the need for shelter in a manner least intrusive on the surrounding environment. A primitive tent site shall be designated by an official department sign or disk.

I would be careful with erecting too many hammocks in a primitive site. The problem is most designated primitive sites have cleared spaces for tents with limited numbers of trees. Trees most suitably spaced for hammocks are generally located on the perimeter or beyond the designated tent area. Setting up hammocks there leads to trampling of vegetation and gradual expansion beyond the DEC designated tent site area, which is not in keeping with LNT. A ranger might take issue with you if you set your hammock up beyond the obvious limits of a designated "CAMP HERE" tent site.
__________________
"Now I see the secret of making the best person, it is to grow in the open air and to eat and sleep with the earth." -Walt Whitman

Last edited by Wldrns; 03-15-2018 at 09:23 PM..
Wldrns is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2018, 09:01 PM   #7
debmonster
No Ramen Allowed
 
debmonster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 119
Hammock = Tent in Wilderness Areas

To answer the original question, yes, a hammock does qualify as a tent under the DEC's definition within Adirondack Wilderness Areas. See 190.13 (9) Wilderness areas in the Adirondack Park. "Tent means a temporary, collapsible shelter which is used for camping outdoors and is made primarily of fabric but which may have walls constructed from other materials."

It's less clear if a hammock qualifies as a tent outside of wilderness areas. I could only find a definition for "camp" but not for "tent."
debmonster is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:51 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

DISCLAIMER: Use of these forums, and information found herein, is at your own risk. Use of this site by members and non-members alike is only granted by the adkhighpeak.com administration provided the terms and conditions found in the FULL DISCLAIMER have been read. Continued use of this site implies that you have read, understood and agree to the terms and conditions of this site. Any questions can be directed to the Administrator of this site.