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Old 03-21-2013, 06:52 PM   #1
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Tallest Cliffs in the Adks?

Curious...I searched around a bit, but could not find a list of the tallest vertical rock walls in the Adirondacks.
Which is the tallest...Wallface? ...Poke-O? ...Something else?
Does such a list exsist, and where can I find it?
I'm not a climber, just curious of the answers.
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Old 03-21-2013, 07:28 PM   #2
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I'd bet this book would have that kind of info.
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Old 03-21-2013, 08:49 PM   #3
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I'd bet this book would have that kind of info.
Thank you Alpine1.
I have seen that book in my searches and have read a few articles about it.
I will look back into it, thanks.
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Old 03-21-2013, 08:51 PM   #4
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Wallface is listed in the above book at 700'. Poke-o-moonshine main face at 400'. I believe Wallface is the highest in the state.
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Old 03-21-2013, 09:19 PM   #5
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I think Wallface is the tallest. Avalanche pass maybe close. A quick phone call to the Mountaineer or Cloudsplitter Guides will get you an answer.

edit: trap dyke is 2000', but it's not straight up and down...
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Old 03-22-2013, 09:07 AM   #6
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Yeah, there are definitely a bunch of slides that are much higher than Wallface. The Chapel Pond slabs are actually higher too. I guess it all depends on how you define a "vertical rock wall." I'd imagine if you dropped the average person, who isn't a climber, halfway up Empress they would tell you its a vertical wall.
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Old 03-22-2013, 09:22 AM   #7
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Thanks guys.

If there was a list of the tallest cliffs in the Adirondacks, I wonder where the cliffs on the Southern & Southwestern face of Pharaoh Mtn would rank...




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Old 03-22-2013, 09:53 AM   #8
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I know climbers occasionally go in to climb Pharaoh. I would have to imagine that the height would be listed somewhere in a climbing guidebook.
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Old 03-22-2013, 10:13 AM   #9
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The answer has historically been Wallface.

But it depends on how you measure. The slabs rising above Avalanche Lake on Mt. Colden are definitely higher, but after 300', the angle changes to slab. Generally, when somebody asks what is the highest cliff, slabs are not included. But do you include scrambling slabs, or only those with 5th class climbing? Anyway, if you include open rock slabs, then the answer might be Gothics, or Snowy, or Mt. Colden, or Giant, or...who knows? There's a lot of open rock slabs to measure :-)
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:51 PM   #10
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When I think of a cliff, I picture a near vertical rock wall that is extremely tall.
Sure there might be some breaks in the rock here & there where there are ledges, but the entire 'cliff' face itself may continue almost straight up.

Slides & steep open slabs are a little different in my opinion, as I don't really think of them as cliffs 'per se'.

With that being said (or typed rather), I will add a few more photos of some of the more impressive cliffs that I've seen in my travels in the Adirondacks...

Long Pond Cliffs:





Cat Mtn:



Sherman Mtn:



Eagle Bluff:



near Eagle Bluff:




Treadway Mtn:



Barton High Cliffs:




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Have any of you folks ever climbed any of these, and would like share some stories and/or photos?

...And to all of you folks viewing, please feel free to add more "Cliff Photos" to this thread if you have any, I'd love to see more of them.

Maybe we can create our own little list of "Tallest Cliffs in the Adks"....
...Or would that be something like posting a list of your favorite fishing holes...
If it is, please let me know & I'll remove my photos. Like I said, I'm not a climber, just curious, Thanks for any help.
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Old 03-22-2013, 05:48 PM   #11
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I'm terrified of high places but it doesn't mean I don't like looking at them (from below).

Here's a few from a road trip up Rt. 73 in Feb 13

1. Giant Mt. from Chapel Pond parking lot

2. Pitchoff Cliffs from Rt. 73
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Old 03-22-2013, 08:02 PM   #12
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I think it would be difficult to objectively measure and rank cliffs by height, because presumably you are talking about the distance from the bottom to the top, not just the elevation of the highest point. In many cases the highest point of the cliff and the lowest point of the base may not be at the same place on the mountain. I see a talus pile at the foot of the Barton High Cliffs in the last of Justin's photos -- would you include that in the measurement too? Often Adirondack cliffs are viewed from a pond or road near their bottom, which may be substantially lower in elevation than the base of the cliff. This adds to the impressiveness of the view but can sometimes be misleading when estimating the actual height of the cliff.
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:29 AM   #13
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Justin: There is documented climbing at most of the cliffs shown in your photos.

Long Pond Cliffs: This is documented in Adirondack Rock. Centered in your first photo is the Loon Roof. Your second photo shows the Too Close for Comfort Buttress (on the left) and the Rodeo Buttress (on the right). These are shown on pages 521 and 523 respectively.

Cat Mountain: This is the lower cliff on Cat Mountain, and has a couple routes documented on the New Routes page of AdirondackRock.com. The upper cliff on Cat Mountain is on page 592, and has one of the most pure, hard cracks around.

Sherman Mountain: I'm not exactly sure which cliff is shown, but there are many cliffs on Sherman Mountain, including Lost Hunter's Cliff (page 555), McMartin Cliff (New Routes), and Lost T2 (also on New Routes).

Eagle Bluff: No climbing reported here yet. Rather difficult to get to!

"new Eagle Bluff": This photo is West Canada Cliff (documented on New Routes). The wall shown in your photo is called the Black Wall, and has two rock climbing routes (Cowboy Up and Sausage Science), and an ice climb (Beast of the Northern Wild, WI5+). It's quite an expedition to get there.

Treadway Mtn: Looks cool. No reported climbing there, although somebody did some climbing exploration on nearby Devils Washdish in the late 1970s.

Barton High Cliff: Well documented in Adirondack Rock (page 469). The ice in your first photo is From My Cold Dead Hands (not especially well formed in your photo).

If you're looking for more photos like this, try here.

...or here check out the photo album called "Adirondack Cliffs" located here.
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:45 AM   #14
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Bill I: The book Adirondack Rock includes the height of each cliff -- a measure of the highest vertical expanse of rock. How do we know? It's an educated guess based on climbing there. When rappelling, climbers know their rope length and can make a pretty good estimate of overall height. This puts Wallface around 700' tall. Some of the rock climbing routes on Wallface are much longer; that's because rock climbing routes wander and traverse around, making the overall climbing length longer than the cliff height. For this reason (and because of exaggeration for dramatic effect), in historic accounts of climbing in the Adirondacks, there is talk of, say, 1500'-tall cliffs.

If one defines a cliff as being "mostly vertical", then Wallface is the tallest in the park. If defined as "requiring a rope to get up", then Gothics or Mt. Colden is the tallest. If a cliff is defined as open, unbroken expanses of non-flat rock, then it's most likely one of the slides.
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:50 AM   #15
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Justin: I forgot to mention...you asked whether cliffs were to climbers like fishing spots are to fishermen. In general, cliffs in the Adirondacks (at least those with open, public access) are not coveted like that. In fact, the majority of climbers share their discoveries for others to enjoy.

There are a few folks that would like to keep things undocumented and private, but in my experience, I can count them on one hand.
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Old 03-23-2013, 08:48 AM   #16
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