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Adam317 06-28-2017 05:27 AM

Boats in the Adirondack
 
Hey guys,

I'm looking for a nice place where there would be some form of boat on a pond. I know that they aren't supposed to be in there but if there already there might as well take advantage.I also know that most people don't like posting there specific spots due to the heard path, but I have my 6 year old son who LOVES wilderness camping and I would like to continue giving him great memories. If you could see it in your heart to help me out I would greatly appreciate it.

DSettahr I know you've been EVERYWHERE, so if you could help out I would love you forever.

thanks so much

Adam

bioguide 06-28-2017 06:40 AM

PM sent...

Hard Scrabble 06-28-2017 03:59 PM

I yearn for the old times when canoes and guide boats were left at junctions with confidence that they were safe.
Sadly, that time is past.
First and foremost, the state frowns on it.
Secondly, some yahoo would come along and trash your boat.
The old time ethic was to use the boat and return it.
You were born fifty years too late.
As an afterthought, the old timers never left their paddles.
Porqupines would have eaten them for the salt.

Adam317 06-28-2017 05:51 PM

Hey thanks bioguide. I didn't get a pm from you though you mind resending?

bioguide 06-28-2017 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam317 (Post 259908)
Hey thanks bioguide. I didn't get a pm from you though you mind resending?

No need I think for being secretive as all the boats are strewn all over the shore line... Middle and Lower Sargent Ponds.

vtflyfish 06-28-2017 08:24 PM

I have a real problem with boats left at wilderness ponds. If you left a boat fifty years ago it was wood and canvas. Left a few years, it would rot into the forest floor. The boats I see strewn along the shorelines of pristine ponds today are universally aluminum and plastic. A boat left behind will be there for forever.

I know of numerous stashed boats that are no longer seaworthy. Where is the owner who brought it in? What's the exit plan? Barring said plan, stashed boats = garbage left behind, a mess left for someone else to sort out. Or not.

Does anyone else see this as a problem???

Adam317 06-28-2017 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bioguide (Post 259910)
No need I think for being secretive as all the boats are strewn all over the shore line... Middle and Lower Sargent Ponds.


Yea I know last time I was at upper it was an armada I had all the choices in the world!

Adam317 06-28-2017 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by vtflyfish (Post 259914)
I have a real problem with boats left at wilderness ponds. If you left a boat fifty years ago it was wood and canvas. Left a few years, it would rot into the forest floor. The boats I see strewn along the shorelines of pristine ponds today are universally aluminum and plastic. A boat left behind will be there for forever.

I know of numerous stashed boats that are no longer seaworthy. Where is the owner who brought it in? What's the exit plan? Barring said plan, stashed boats = garbage left behind, a mess left for someone else to sort out. Or not.

Does anyone else see this as a problem???


No denying that brother. It's an absolute shame. Everyone I've been in the adirondacks the last 10 years I've ALWAYS taken out a large contractor bag full of garbage. Crushed beer cans buried in the dirt, glass beer bottles, old cans, etc. I think I made it clear that this post isn't supporting putting boats in rather taking advantage of the exsisting boats in there. I know EVERYONE here agrees with you as well. People just have no respect for the wilderness. It breaks my heart that in 15 years my son will have such a different experience than I did and that I'm having such a difference experience than my dad and grandfather and not in a positive way.

We all receive your point.

Adam317 06-28-2017 08:56 PM

Found an old post titled "boats in the adirondacks=garbage?" Below was a list of a few places for anyone who cares I think the post was from 2010 so take it for what it's worth.

Originally Posted by DSettahr View Post
Don't forget Fish Pond, Grass Pond, Polliwog Pond, Horseshoe Pond, Trout Pond, Long Pond, Follensby Pond, Gull Pond, Mill Brook, Beaver Pond, Spectacle Pond, Goose Pond, Deer Pond, South Lake, North Lake, West Lake, East Lake, Otter Lake, Spruce Lake, Balsam Lake, Tamarack Lake, Pine Lake, First Pond, Second Pond, Third Pond...

bioguide 06-28-2017 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by vtflyfish (Post 259914)
Does anyone else see this as a problem???

I do but the state doesn't seem to care. I'm sure they could put together a volunteer program of some sort to remove them either by helicopter, float plane, or snowmobile. That video I made of Middle and Lower Sargent Ponds documenting all the boats was viewed by several of my DEC colleagues whom immediately tagged one of their regional forest rangers. Nothing but crickets is all I've heard since.

Adam317 06-29-2017 04:09 AM

Has anyone given any thought to trying and setting up a thread here to identify where usable/broken boats are? Or where sites are destroyed with garbage? It would Give an idea of where someone who may want to pull a couple out or clean up an area where to start. Maybe even try and coordinate 1 weekend a year to go to one spot and put a dent in cleaning it up. Based on what I've been reading the last few days Most of the spots where boats are seem to be less than a 2 mile hike. If we could get 4 or 5 guys out there I know we could clean something up. I love when people are so upset about something but don't take any action. I'm sure we could find a champion to lead that effort up here. i would be more than happy to provide assistance with that if anyone is interested. I just can't stand to see the garbage EVERYTIME I go out.

JohnnyVirgil 06-29-2017 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam317 (Post 259923)
Has anyone given any thought to trying and setting up a thread here to identify where usable/broken boats are? Or where sites are destroyed with garbage? It would Give an idea of where someone who may want to pull a couple out or clean up an area where to start. Maybe even try and coordinate 1 weekend a year to go to one spot and put a dent in cleaning it up. Based on what I've been reading the last few days Most of the spots where boats are seem to be less than a 2 mile hike. If we could get 4 or 5 guys out there I know we could clean something up. I love when people are so upset about something but don't take any action. I'm sure we could find a champion to lead that effort up here. i would be more than happy to provide assistance with that if anyone is interested. I just can't stand to see the garbage EVERYTIME I go out.

That's a good idea. Maybe a battery powered sawzall to create manageable pieces. I'd get a certain satisfaction chopping them up. ha

bluequill 06-29-2017 07:37 AM

http://adkforum.com/showthread.php?t...=stashed+boats


There was a lengthy discussion on this topic a while ago........the thread was eventually shut down.

Creekwader 06-29-2017 09:57 AM

Just my opinion based on limited observation but DEC personnel, especially those that live in the small park communities, are not usually staunch environmentalists and are therefore likely to look the other way at times especially with stuff like this. Not a priority for them and probably some of them use said boats on occasion. And let's not forget the money aspect. The seaplane operators for as long as they've been flying clients have brought in boats and stashed them around. Is DEC going to make them haul out their boats? I guarantee a significant portion of the boats Bioguide found came in on planes, that pond is big business for them.

Hard Scrabble 06-29-2017 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtflyfish (Post 259914)
I have a real problem with boats left at wilderness ponds. If you left a boat fifty years ago it was wood and canvas. Left a few years, it would rot into the forest floor. The boats I see strewn along the shorelines of pristine ponds today are universally aluminum and plastic. A boat left behind will be there for forever.

I know of numerous stashed boats that are no longer seaworthy. Where is the owner who brought it in? What's the exit plan? Barring said plan, stashed boats = garbage left behind, a mess left for someone else to sort out. Or not.

Does anyone else see this as a problem???

I never saw a canvas covered or wood boat left on the ground at the end of a carry in all my years of fishing.
The fishermen made an above ground rack to store their boat.
Of course, they took the paddles or oars with them.

stripperguy 06-29-2017 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hard Scrabble (Post 259936)
I never saw a canvas covered or wood boat left on the ground at the end of a carry in all my years of fishing.
The fishermen made an above ground rack to store their boat.
Of course, they took the paddles or oars with them.

Mr Scrabble,
I stumbled upon a wooden guideboat that had been stashed for quite some time. It was tucked (mostly) under some overhanging rocks between the two Prestons. This was back in the first year that those lands were open to the public, maybe 10 years ago now. Wasn't much left of it then, it was slowly getting swallowed by the forest. It was built with brass screws, so it must not have been all that old...

DuctTape 06-29-2017 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Creekwader (Post 259931)
Just my opinion based on limited observation but DEC personnel, especially those that live in the small park communities, are not usually staunch environmentalists and are therefore likely to look the other way at times especially with stuff like this. Not a priority for them and probably some of them use said boats on occasion. And let's not forget the money aspect. The seaplane operators for as long as they've been flying clients have brought in boats and stashed them around. Is DEC going to make them haul out their boats? I guarantee a significant portion of the boats Bioguide found came in on planes, that pond is big business for them.

A well known pond used by floatplanes often has the lean-to areas set us as a circus. zthe plane operator has a half dozen boats stashed at a campsite on the other side if the pond. everyone knows it,, but the authorities look the other way.

Justin 06-29-2017 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DuctTape (Post 259941)
...everyone knows it,, but the authorities look the other way.

It's true... It's an age old Adirondack tradition that unfortunately is still not that uncommon. Many folks don't mind, some do. Like litter, it definitely gets a bit out of hand in certain areas, and it's good to speak up when it does, and/or help.
:thumbs:

vtflyfish 06-29-2017 09:15 PM

I've hauled out several over the years. At age 66 I'm unlikely to do another. The portable sawzall idea bears some serious consideration.

Hard Scrabble 06-30-2017 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by stripperguy (Post 259939)
Mr Scrabble,
I stumbled upon a wooden guideboat that had been stashed for quite some time. It was tucked (mostly) under some overhanging rocks between the two Prestons. This was back in the first year that those lands were open to the public, maybe 10 years ago now. Wasn't much left of it then, it was slowly getting swallowed by the forest. It was built with brass screws, so it must not have been all that old...

Mr Stripper,
Brass screws and brads have been used in the construction of wood boats and canoes for at least 100 years. They don't rust, that is the reason that they were used.
That boat that you found was probably left by a deceased fisherman who took the care to shelter his boat under those rocks.
The brass fittings would far outlast the wooden hull.


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