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stripperguy 10-02-2018 03:20 PM

Lake Lila a photo essay
 
It's been many years since I last camped on Lila...too many.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Tl...=w1334-h889-no


More to come

stripperguy 10-02-2018 04:39 PM

Weather at home was not so promising

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/yp...=w1334-h889-no

Traditional pit stop at the overlook provided scant views

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Thankfully, by the time we got to the parking lot, the skies were blue


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Justin 10-02-2018 05:15 PM

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stripperguy 10-02-2018 05:16 PM

There was a stiff WSW wind at the put in

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/nn...=w1334-h889-no

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But even the newbies were OK

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We chose to stay on the tennis courts and site 10

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stripperguy 10-02-2018 06:27 PM

After an OK sunset (we were at the western side) the stars came out

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/3G...Q=w586-h390-no

The sky was completely clear and the Milky Way was shining bright overhead

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And.....then came the moonrise


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We also celebrated not one, but two birthdays (actually that day 16 and 26)

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stripperguy 10-02-2018 06:33 PM

Next morning was foggy, as it should be

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/9b...=w1334-h889-no

Soon after sunrise, the sun burned through the mist

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We had some trouble to fire up the Kellys, everything was stilled soaked

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/JA...=w1334-h889-no

What to do when you lose your spoon? Whittle a new one!

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A hike to the Nehasane train station was sad, knowing what it once was

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stripperguy 10-02-2018 08:23 PM

After the train station, we took the short hike to the ledges on Frederica
We stayed on top for over 2 hours, there were no other hikers

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/A5...=w1334-h889-no

Then some of us paddled down the Beaver River for a mile or so

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Another fire after dinner kept us warm as the temps eventually got down to 32F

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Come Sunday morning, all that's left is to tear down and paddle out

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https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/kH...=w1334-h889-no

Many more pics here if anyone is interested.
Thanks for reading along

yardsale 10-03-2018 10:25 AM

We were just there three days ago, staying at a very windy 18. I have a few questions about the area.

1. Where is the old train station relative to, say site 7 where you access the Frederika trail?

2. Many of the old logs on the side of Beaver River were cut off at both ends. Was this waterway used to transport logs earlier? Other reasons why these huge logs would have been cut at each end with the central section left on the river.

3. Haven't yet learned to post photos, but we saw some bark with with regular lines of 1" diameter holes running long ways on a large downed tree. Must have been 10 lines across. What would have made such a complex wound in the tree? (Will work on learning to post photos)

4. Who lugged a 4' section of railroad rail (300lbs??) onto site 18, and more importantly, why?

5 FYI there is a nice bare ledge about 1/4 mile NE of Frederica that was a nice bushwack from the road (go up the gradual east side) with an interesting stone structure on the top. Drop down slightly from the top for best views.

Blackflie 10-03-2018 11:08 AM

What is the collective noun for a trio of Kellys? a brew?

Zach 10-03-2018 01:21 PM

Thank you for posting the photo essay. The pictures are beautiful. I've been thinking of going to Lila and Lows next summer for my trip, and this makes it even more appealing.
Zach

stripperguy 10-03-2018 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by yardsale (Post 270864)
We were just there three days ago, staying at a very windy 18. I have a few questions about the area.

1. Where is the old train station relative to, say site 7 where you access the Frederika trail?

2. Many of the old logs on the side of Beaver River were cut off at both ends. Was this waterway used to transport logs earlier? Other reasons why these huge logs would have been cut at each end with the central section left on the river.

3. Haven't yet learned to post photos, but we saw some bark with with regular lines of 1" diameter holes running long ways on a large downed tree. Must have been 10 lines across. What would have made such a complex wound in the tree? (Will work on learning to post photos)

4. Who lugged a 4' section of railroad rail (300lbs??) onto site 18, and more importantly, why?

5 FYI there is a nice bare ledge about 1/4 mile NE of Frederica that was a nice bushwack from the road (go up the gradual east side) with an interesting stone structure on the top. Drop down slightly from the top for best views.

YS,
The 1st time MDB and I stayed there we were on site 16, but there were no numbers back then...
Train station is about 1/2 mile N of trail to Frederica. From the ledges above, you can look down directly at the roof tops, or what's left of them.

I'm sure the Beaver River was used to transport logs, some of those square cut deadfalls were HUGE!

Photo posting is easy enough. Use a third party host (Google Photos, Flickr, etc) and a right click to copy photo location. Then it's just a couple clicks here to add a photo.

No idea about the pin holes or the rail...Zach knows his trees pretty well, maybe he knows if it was insect or bird.

I've been up on those other ledges. I couldn't convince any of the gang to head there, they all wanted views of the high peaks.



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Originally Posted by Blackflie (Post 270865)
What is the collective noun for a trio of Kellys? a brew?

Teaghlaigh??? I dunno!


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Originally Posted by Zach (Post 270867)
Thank you for posting the photo essay. The pictures are beautiful. I've been thinking of going to Lila and Lows next summer for my trip, and this makes it even more appealing.
Zach

Zach,
I think you would really like it. You could do a loop from LTL to Lila pretty easily. The loop from Lila to Bog River has quite a bit more challenging logistics, but still can be done solo. Both would be sooo much easier with a shuttle to move your bike. Maybe one of us here could line up our schedules with you and shuttle your bike and trailer.

Justin 10-03-2018 05:34 PM

Nice photos Mike, thanks for sharing with us.
One of these days I gotta check out Lila.
Was it busy?

stripperguy 10-03-2018 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin (Post 270876)
Nice photos Mike, thanks for sharing with us.
One of these days I gotta check out Lila.
Was it busy?

We arrived at the parking lot at about 12 noon on Friday. There was a group of 8 Menonites? (looked Amish, but they don't drive) just hitting the water at the same time. 8 cars in the parking lot, not counting us.
During the entire weekend, we saw maybe 10 other people, mostly from a distance.
When we were leaving, we saw 2 groups totaling 6 people carrying out.

Given that there are 24 designated sites, I'd say it was not anywhere near capacity. One of the nicest sites on Canada Island, remained open all weekend.

timberghost 10-03-2018 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yardsale (Post 270864)
4. Who lugged a 4' section of railroad rail (300lbs??) onto site 18, and more importantly, why?

5 FYI there is a nice bare ledge about 1/4 mile NE of Frederica that was a nice bushwack from the road (go up the gradual east side) with an interesting stone structure on the top. Drop down slightly from the top for best views.

That rail section ended up at 18 a number of years ago (at least 5).
Partly my fault, I found it near the trail to the tennis courts site and pulled it out of the brush / leaves so that others could see part of the history of the area...
Why 18, you ask? That particular site tends to attract some very "interesting" groups during the height of the summer, as evidenced by ample garbage, live tree cuttings, and occasional TP flower just shy of pit privy.

There are a number of summits in the area that are still stripped bare from the fires of the turn of 20th century, so with some whackin' one can get a glimpse of different valleys and remains of what was once there.

Justin 10-03-2018 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yardsale (Post 270864)
Who lugged a 4' section of railroad rail (300lbs??) onto site 18, and more importantly, why?

Quote:

Originally Posted by timberghost (Post 270881)
That rail section ended up at 18 a number of years ago (at least 5).
Partly my fault, I found it near the trail to the tennis courts site and pulled it out of the brush / leaves so that others could see part of the history of the area...
.

I’ve done the same, when mother nature begins to cover up significant area historical remains I’ll often pull them out a bit when I find them and brush off the leaves & sticks a bit to help keep that historical ‘discovery’ alive. Years later I’ll also occasionally find them at or near a nearby campsite, and sometimes see them used for something silly like a makeshift table or bench or similar. Usually not a big deal in my opinion, and I’d guess maybe that’s “why” some people decide to take a piece of nearby history and include it at a nearby modern day camping site.

One thing is for sure, trying to reconstruct pieces of an old leather shoe that you found the remains of only a couple years ago is definitely no easy task! ;) http://www.adkforum.com/showthread.php?t=25581

Zach 10-05-2018 12:48 PM

Yardsale, I'm sorry, I don't know about the holes in the tree, I have seen some odd holes at times and wondered what caused them. In my experience woodpecker holes can be quite regularly spaced and sometimes quite round, but they tend to go through the bark and at least a good way into the wood. There are some bugs that only go under the bark to the cambium layer (I think that's the word I want) but not further into the wood, though a 1" round hole seems kind of big for a bug.

Stripperguy, I will need to do some reading up on the options in the area. I'm thinking of an out-and-back trip since I don't know in advance when I'll be there as my final decision is based on the weather. Do you have a recommendation of a book or map that I should get that shows the carries and such? I have some information in a 2001 edition of Discover the NW ADKs. I have also thought about treating each lake as a separate trip and not trying to do a series of carries, but I've got 10-1/2 months to figure it out and make a plan.
Zach

stripperguy 10-05-2018 05:11 PM

Zach,
Dave Cilley's guide book and companion map are about the most up to date info there is, except for here, of course!!

https://www.amazon.com/Adirondack-Pa.../dp/0974632090



Also, the DEC map for the area shows designated campsites, but not necessarily the carries for a through trip.

http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/lands_for...mapwhitney.pdf

For a Lila to Lows trip, head down Harrington Brook to the tracks, down the tracks to the trail for Clear Pond, through Clear and Bog Lake to Lows. If you need more details, just ask...Many have done this route, so you can get a wide variety of descriptions. Myself, I don't care for Lows that much, the private holding can and does run a generator and/or motorboat from time to time.

Zach 10-06-2018 12:47 PM

Thanks very much for the information. I did a search of the site for 'harrington' and got several very helpful trip reports that included that section, including one of yours from 5 years ago or so. My primary reason for wanting to visit Lows as well as Lila is that I like mountains that are next to lakes, and Grass Pond Mountain looks particularly nice, as does Frederica. I like your idea of spending the night on Grass Pond Mountain to watch the sunset and sunrise. I've really enjoyed getting to see both from Chimney Mountain and I think the view at Grass Pond should be even nicer. I think it should be a reasonable plan to stay at Lila on the second night of my trip (since I can't get all the way there in one day on the bike) and then go up to Grass Pond for the third night. Then I'll have seen enough of both lakes to decide where I'd rather be for the last two nights before I'd have to get on the bike again. Thanks for posting all the pictures and reports.
Zach

shiraz627 11-02-2018 06:45 PM

Great pics! Love your setup on the Aluma.

stripperguy 11-02-2018 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by shiraz627 (Post 271484)
Great pics! Love your setup on the Aluma.

Thanks...

I'm not satisfied with the Aluma. I mean, I love the trailer itself (5 x 8 feet), but it's not ideal for carrying longer boats.
When I carry my and MDB's solos, everything is fine. But when I need to carry some 17 and 18 foot boats, I have to shift the hulls so far back (to not hit the tow vehicle, especially on turns) that the trailer tongue becomes unloaded, or nearly so. This makes for poor and possibly dangerous towing.

I'll likely find a cheap trailer next year, tear it apart, and build my own dedicated canoe trailer. I built trailers before, and it'll be pretty easy.

shiraz627 11-03-2018 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stripperguy (Post 271485)
Thanks...

I'm not satisfied with the Aluma. I mean, I love the trailer itself (5 x 8 feet), but it's not ideal for carrying longer boats.
When I carry my and MDB's solos, everything is fine. But when I need to carry some 17 and 18 foot boats, I have to shift the hulls so far back (to not hit the tow vehicle, especially on turns) that the trailer tongue becomes unloaded, or nearly so. This makes for poor and possibly dangerous towing.

I'll likely find a cheap trailer next year, tear it apart, and build my own dedicated canoe trailer. I built trailers before, and it'll be pretty easy.

You have a BT638. I have the same trailer but with solid sides and a bifold gate. I think to use that trailer to carry boats, you need to lengthen the tongue.

TrailBlaser 11-21-2020 03:03 AM

Lake Lila 1993
 
I am in the process of scanning my 35mm slides and came across these:

https://imgur.com/gallery/XmzWci2

stripperguy 11-21-2020 01:17 PM

Wow!! Fantastic pics...were the overhead views from a floatplane?
I was there in 1983 and the lodge was still standing, but surely didn't look as nice as in your photos. The dates say 1993, are you sure of the date? Maybe pics are from separate trips?
BTW, I love the look of your green "REYWAS", is that a 17'9" Cruiser? I have a red one.

montcalm 11-21-2020 01:57 PM

Pic of the lodge looks like a zoom of the previous shot from Frederica. I can see the exact same aspect in both pics.

TrailBlaser 11-22-2020 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by stripperguy (Post 284026)
Wow!! Fantastic pics...were the overhead views from a floatplane?
I was there in 1983 and the lodge was still standing, but surely didn't look as nice as in your photos. The dates say 1993, are you sure of the date? Maybe pics are from separate trips?
BTW, I love the look of your green "REYWAS", is that a 17'9" Cruiser? I have a red one.

Thanks very much. I bet you are right about the slides being from different dates. I remember going in right after it opened up. My recollection is that the interior wasn't in bad shape. I thought I took photos inside too, but I have well over 10K slides and haven't touched them until recently. I am in the process of digitizing them and "discovered" these in a one box labeled Adirondacks. Most of the slides were not dated and few had Lake Lila written on them. In the 80s I was single and doing a lot of trips in the ADKs, both personal and guiding. I took my camera on just about all of the personal trips. Back then I took a couple of flights with Helms over the Five Ponds Wilderness, so it could have been from one of those flights, but I know I took shots from the top of Frederica. I still have the Sawyer (I guess I have to re-scan that one) but it is spending a lot of time on the sawhorses now that I have a Hornbeck...

TrailBlaser 11-22-2020 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by montcalm (Post 284028)
Pic of the lodge looks like a zoom of the previous shot from Frederica. I can see the exact same aspect in both pics.

I typically carried three lenses: a standard 18-55mm, a wide angle and 300mm. I think you are right, it is more likely a zoom shot rather than from one of the float plane trips I took over the Five Ponds Wilderness. I recall taking some photos from those flights but haven't come across them yet.

montcalm 11-22-2020 01:32 PM

We have an early 80s Sawyer as well, 17', Kevlar, the same green as the one in your photos TB. We have more "modern" canoes as well, but we've kept this as our "kids" boat. It's still better than 90% of the canoes on the market now despite being nearly 40 yrs old.

TrailBlaser 11-22-2020 02:23 PM

The Sawyer is the Autumn Mist (weighs under 40lbs). It has been great to paddle over the years. I found the receipt recently; I purchased it in March of 1988 for $875 along with a Yakima 58" rack system ($173). Cooke Custom Sewing made a cover for it, which really helped on big windy lakes and in bad weather. I had purchased a new 4Runner the previous fall and took off in July for a solo canoe camping trip: Quebec, Maine, Nova Scotia and Newfoundland. I was supposed to go from Newfoundland to Labrador, but after days in Newfoundland with cold temps and continuous heavy rain and forecast indicating the same weather in Labrador, I bailed and headed back. I ended up spending the last couple of weeks canoe camping in the ADKs.

TrailBlaser 11-22-2020 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stripperguy (Post 284026)
Wow!! Fantastic pics...were the overhead views from a floatplane?
I was there in 1983 and the lodge was still standing, but surely didn't look as nice as in your photos. The dates say 1993, are you sure of the date? Maybe pics are from separate trips?
BTW, I love the look of your green "REYWAS", is that a 17'9" Cruiser? I have a red one.

I took another (closer) look at the slide of the lodge - it says October 1983, not '93. Some of the others (that have dates) are from 1988.

Nehasane 11-23-2020 07:20 AM

My first Lila trip was in my red Cruiser (Goldenglass) soon after the lodge was removed. Sold the Cruiser maybe 20-25 years ago (Stripper?), had a green Autumn Mist for a while too.


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