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Tug Hill 07-24-2016 09:44 AM

Last known Puma/Mountain Lion in NY.
 
Excerpt from "NYS Forest, Fish and Game Commision Report 1902-1903."

"Dr. C. Hart Merriam, writing in 1886, says that he estimates that nearly 100 Pumas have been killed in the ADK's since 1860. Since 1871 the State of NY has paid bounties for the killing of 99 of these animals. Gerrit S. Miller Jr., writing in 1899, says the animal still exsists in the wilder portions of the ADK's . The last bounty was paid in 1894, for a Puma killed in Herkimer County. This may well be the last of these animals in NY."

I had a Great Great Uncle who killed a Puma in Oneida County before he left to fight and die in WW1. According to my Great Grandmother, He made a hat out of it. So the puma killed in 1894 in Herkimer County, may not have been the last in NY.

jmg343 07-24-2016 08:05 PM

Got one on trail cam just yesterday in Carmel, NY. Will post the pictures as soon as I can.

jmg343 07-24-2016 08:09 PM

here it is. photo taken 7/23. Carmel, NY
 
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here is what I am pretty damn certain is a mtn lion. captured on trail cam yesterday, 7/23 in Carmel, NY.

Tug Hill 07-25-2016 06:56 PM

Looking forward to your picture.

bioguide 07-25-2016 07:05 PM

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Looking forward to your picture.

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just emailed you the pic
Pic posted on behalf of jmg343:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_...MtnLionPic.jpg

Justin 07-25-2016 07:20 PM

Good catch, but looks a bit blurry & inconclusive to me, and by no means definitive. Could be a bobcat, almost looks like spots & a short tail.

poconoron 07-25-2016 09:13 PM

That, my friend, is a bobcat.

jmg343 07-25-2016 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by poconoron (Post 248246)
That, my friend, is a bobcat.

Maybe, but I have two bobcats mounted, and have seen at least a dozen in the woods. Neither have legs even nearly as long as this cats and this cat has a long tail. Visible if you look closely. Also, there are no spots that I can see on this cat and none of the bobcats I have ever seen have such black on the undersides of their feet, going up their legs. Also, hard to tell in a still photo, but I think this cat has a different gait than the bobcats I have seen sneaking through the woods early in the mornings during bow season. I havent found any tracks or hair though, so Im not certain one way or the other.

Tug Hill 07-26-2016 07:45 AM

The dark color on the bottom of the legs and feet, says Bobcat.
Plus looks like no long tail ?
Bobcats vary when it comes to spots and color.

smr220 07-10-2021 04:31 PM

Apologies for resurrecting this long debated topic, but I came across this news report:

https://youtu.be/zZsdkYrsg3I

It appears that officials are acknowledging a cougar population in Tennessee. Note that for the longest time, officials denied their existence in the Eastern US, but this suggests otherwise now.

Matter of time before DEC does the same here?

Schultzz 07-10-2021 07:13 PM

The DEC could be propagating them for all we know and as secretive as they can be. I bought a grain elevator from a farmer in Western PA who claims he sees them often. Of course DNR doesn't want to scare tourists so they continually deny their existence. I've mentioned this before but a guy who summers in Eagle and frequents the Tap Room claims he saw one on the back road coming from Raquette Lake two years ago.

TCD 07-11-2021 10:16 AM

I doubt that DEC is doing anything active with mountain lions. It's a funny idea, though, and would be a good story plot!

But there is no doubt that there is a disinformation campaign around the species. Remember the "Heart of a Lion" story, which chronicled the story of the mountain lion who passed through this area on the way to an untimely traffic death in Connecticut.

That lion had been seen and reported by many people. And the lion had been seen by a DEC employee passing through their property in the Lake George area. And, the employee had gathered fur samples, and the DEC lab confirmed that it was absolutely a mountain lion. And yet even after they had confirmed this, DEC was telling all the people who had seen the lion: "You're imagining it" and "It must have been a bobcat" and "It was a golden retriever" etc., etc..

After the lion was killed in Connecticut, all the info came out.

My guess is that there is no breeding population here, but that once every few years, a stray, probably a young male looking for a new territory, passes through the area from out-of-state. So occasional sightings are probably valid. I pretty much ignore the "official" line on this topic, as the officials have been proven to be liars.

St.Regis 07-11-2021 12:08 PM

Yeah or a story about a game farm escapee or a 'pet' that got away or some other bs that they conjured up

montcalm 07-11-2021 02:59 PM

It's probably better for the cat that the DEC deny its existence.

We already see how knuckleheads deal with bears. Imagine if we had big cats running around!

I've totally been "stalked" by a bobcat before. My size and fire are probably the only things that kept it from taking a shot at me.

Schultzz 07-12-2021 09:09 PM

TCD


My guess is that there is no breeding population here, but that once every few years, a stray, probably a young male looking for a new territory, passes through the area from out-of-state. So occasional sightings are probably valid. I pretty much ignore the "official" line on this topic, as the officials have been proven to be liars.[/QUOTE]

Well thought out and written.

Schultzz 07-12-2021 09:16 PM

My history with them has been they are shy and rarely seen but since settlements have taken over their habitat they have grown bolder and acclimated to humans. My sister lives in a populated town in southern CT and has a photo of one sitting not 20 feet from a big window in a sitting room. I always bring at least two "friends" with me when venturing out for a walk. Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson.

montcalm 07-13-2021 06:37 PM

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I always bring at least two "friends" with me when venturing out for a walk. Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson.

While that might help if a cat faces you down, most likely if it wants to mess with you it's gonna stalk you, climb a tree, pounce on your back and bite your neck. Your chances of shooting it are gonna be pretty slim.

If you actually face one down, I doubt it would do anything but run.


From what I can surmise from areas out west where there are still lots of lions, this would be exceedingly rare. Carrying a gun to protect against something like that here would be like carrying a lightning rod to protect from getting struck by lightning.

Tug Hill 07-13-2021 06:58 PM

Montcalm, I think many people in Alaska grizzly country, would disagree. I have a friend who was mauled by a grizzly in Alaska and fought it off with his hunting knife. He was severely injured but survived. To this day he regrets leaving his handgun that day in his spike camp.

montcalm 07-13-2021 07:14 PM

I'm sure they would...

I'm not a gun guy, but there are certain areas of the world I would carry one - and Alaska is one of them.

I was speaking of threats here in the east. You're more likely to be mauled in the city.

Schultzz 07-14-2021 06:31 PM

Montcalm

Guns can alert others if some disaster happened to you. Three consecutive shots has always meant SOS to me and got my full attention. Another series of three shots will bring me running or riding my quad to help. Heart attack? Snakebite?, break or sprain your leg? A rabid animal attack. Cell phones have a habit of not working in many places in the park.

montcalm 07-14-2021 08:15 PM

I have a whistle.

I'm not anti-gun, but I never really felt I had a need for one. If I was going to kill a deer or a bear I'd have no problem carrying a gun. I've hunted and grown up around it, but I don't now, so a gun seems unnecessary.

If I lived where grizzlies were a real threat, I would carry a side arm and keep sharp with being quick on the trigger, especially in the fall.

Not much worried about cats because I think if they want to kill you, they will and you won't be able to prevent it. They aren't going to face you down, that's not how they hunt.

Schultzz 07-14-2021 10:51 PM

A hungry mountain lion has been known to face people down and attack. Lucky for you they are not prevalent in your area. Your choice to not be armed is entirely up to you. However, I gave several reasons why a single person in a wilderness setting could benefit from having a firearm along. At least maybe carry a good knife but a good knife cannot alert others to respond to emergency needs. Of course being properly trained in the safe and responsible care of a firearm is highly recommended and having a carry permit would make it legal.

Glen 07-15-2021 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Schultzz (Post 286475)
A hungry mountain lion has been known to face people down and attack. Lucky for you they are not prevalent in your area. Your choice to not be armed is entirely up to you. However, I gave several reasons why a single person in a wilderness setting could benefit from having a firearm along. At least maybe carry a good knife but a good knife cannot alert others to respond to emergency needs. Of course being properly trained in the safe and responsible care of a firearm is highly recommended and having a carry permit would make it legal.

Schultzzy- I just travel with someone who is a slower runner than myself.

Schultzz 07-15-2021 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Glen (Post 286477)
Schultzzy- I just travel with someone who is a slower runner than myself.

Hey Glen, Great to hear from you. Are you still hammering the false Albacore near Montauk? Lots of BIG sharks up that way, why they don't come into the Sound I don't understand maybe because there's no more fish to follow in. We used to catch loads of fish off Charles Island but now they're few and far between. Sand sharks and an occasional Black Tip shark, but the Big Stripers are in the Housatonic. Slower runner? Whoinell can run? Take care!
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montcalm 07-16-2021 10:50 AM

Schultzz - my greatest fear out in the wilds is not being mauled by a bear or pounced by a kitty, but getting a kidney stone! Particularly one that is stuck and won't pass on its own.

In which case, if I blow my whistle and you come with your gun, please have Toradol - preferably in IV form - or discharge your weapon and put me out of my misery.

Schultzz 07-16-2021 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by montcalm (Post 286482)
Schultzz - my greatest fear out in the wilds is not being mauled by a bear or pounced by a kitty, but getting a kidney stone! Particularly one that is stuck and won't pass on its own.

In which case, if I blow my whistle and you come with your gun, please have Toradol - preferably in IV form - or discharge your weapon and put me out of my misery.

Okay Monty, I catch your drift.
Fortunately I have never experienced anything like that, I hope your cell phone works if you need help or we will rename that trail in your honor.

Banjoe 07-17-2021 08:13 AM

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On a trip to the White Mountains, my wife and I climbed Madison and Adams without incident. The next day I got up, climbed a tree by our cottage to watch the sunrise over the same mountains, took a walk for a view of them and then sat down to eat breakfast. I started to notice a little cramp that wouldn't go away, and within a half-hour I was on my knees. I think I might have begged her to shoot me. A trip to the ER, where they diagnosed my kidney stone based on how I walked in the door, several shots of Fentanyl to "manage" the pain, and it passed. I walked out of the hospital smiling and declaring the staff miracle workers.

The next day we climbed some easier 4000' mountains and wouldn't you know it, I had another mishap.

It's tough out there.

montcalm 07-17-2021 09:58 AM

Ahhaha!

Yeah, it is tough...

Mine went something like this:

About 4pm at work I feel this sharp pinch in my back. My stomach sinks, I turn pale and hunch over in pain. After the initial blow it feels like a hot sword is being thrust through my abdomen. People instantly notice and I'm dismissed.

I call my wife because I can barely walk, let alone drive. The hospital is only 10-15 min away but it seemed like an eternity. Every turn and bump in the road I'm writhing in pain.

I remember the walk into the hospital because it was one of the hardest things I've ever done. I'm immediately admitted into triage due to my state and my heart rate is around 180 and my blood pressure is extremely high.

First pass of narcotics do nothing except make me vomit a whole meatball sub which I had eaten for lunch. They hadn't given me a pan to vomit in but I found a nearby garbage can and had probably the second worst experience of the day.

After that it was into scanners to verify my symptoms were actually a stone. I'm still in excruciating pain and blacking out for a few minutes here and there, only to come to and be poked and prodded.

Finally the IV of Toradol came, what seemed like years later, and my pain stopped. But it was only temporary. What they had found was that I had a large stone wedged at the exit of my kidney and start of the ureter which had not only caused renal colic but was extremely swollen. No hope of it passing on its own. In to surgery to get a stent.

Then it was a month of debilitating pain, especially when urinating until the swelling went down enough that they could go in and break it up with another surgery.

It was the worst...

Glen 07-17-2021 02:49 PM

I’ve had several episodes with kidney stones. All I can say is I hear ya!

JimVroman 07-17-2021 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Schultzz (Post 286481)
Hey Glen, Great to hear from you. Are you still hammering the false Albacore near Montauk? Lots of BIG sharks up that way, why they don't come into the Sound I don't understand maybe because there's no more fish to follow in. We used to catch loads of fish off Charles Island but now they're few and far between. Sand sharks and an occasional Black Tip shark, but the Big Stripers are in the Housatonic. Slower runner? Whoinell can run? Take care!
:dance:

Is there a laugh option???


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