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Old 02-11-2017, 10:19 AM   #20
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Originally Posted by Gman View Post
Lots of conflicting information Bounder. This is going to an area not related to the post but so many inaccuracies in your post that need correcting.

I believe you have cattle raising here confused with Texas or out west somewhere.

Just about all cattle in this part of North America are winter or spring calved. Cattle in the field are fed over winter. Usually hay because we have lots of it. Cattle do poor outside here winter as opposed to out west. Its the dampness.

You put out two Great Pyrenees with a flock of sheep in an enclosure they can watch and you will have little problems with coyotes.

I don't know why you think rural people have a better understanding of how to keep their pets. They are among the worst pet abusers. Suggest to a farmer to get his barn cats neutered? He'd laugh his head off.

My father (who is 85 and still hunts coyotes) said they got roughly $30 each last year. Some brought more, some less. You better know how to prep the hide and shot pelts are not the same as a trapped pelt.

Buckladd, I was speaking of the population in general. In the ADK's according to the DEC the numbers are at least stable now but far greater than in the past. There is concern about the maturing forest in the ADK's. According to the DEC coyotes have little impact on the deer population.
Dr. John C. Kilgo[4]at the U.S. Forest Service at the Savannah River Site in South Carolina conducted one of the largest studies concerning the affects of coyotes on whitetail deer.* Sixty fawns were collared and observed.* Within the first 6 weeks 73% (44) of the fawns died. *Approximately 80% (35) were killed by coyotes, 13% (6) were killed by bobcat, and 7% (3) by unknown causes.* Dr. John C. Kilgo conducted another study on the adjoining land with deer having no collars and using only trail cameras to prove that the collars didn’t slow the fawns down.* The mortality rate was the same.* Dr. Kilgo’s most recent studies disproves the theory that fawning cover will reduce the predation of fawns finding the same results as land with less fawning cover.* Dr. Kilgo and Christopher Shaw of the U.S. Forestry Service tested the theory of “predator swamping” where the buck-to-doe ratio was balanced, wherefore all the fawns would drop at the same time. *They conducted a test on 2 tracts of land, on the first tract the deer had a high density and on the second tract a low deer density. *Even though the land had roughly the same amount of coyotes the rate of predation was roughly the same.
In year 2005, Dr. Stephen Ditchkoff [5]of Auburn University and his students began collaring 50 fawns a year.* When starting, they scarcely had a fawn killed by coyotes, but in 2008 34% were lost and in 2009 over half were lost.* Mark Buxton[6], a wildlife manager with Southeastern Wildlife Habitat Services in Thomaston Alabama, says at the QDMA’s annual convention in Louisville Kentucky “…food plots, timber stand improvements, and restoring native vegetation… can maximize their (the deer) potential. *The coyote is the next big part of that equation.”* Buxton says “if coyotes are not a problem on your hunting property they will be in a few years.”* It has been said that fawns were at the wrong place at the wrong time.* Buxton believes this is not the case.* He trapped predators in 2009 during 3 months of spring and caught 20 coyotes and 15 bobcats from 1500 acres, beginning about a month before fawning begins.* After 1 year, Buxton had caught 49 coyotes and continued into the 2010 fawning season trapping 14 more.* In total, 54% of the coyotes trapped were caught during fawning season (34 of 63).* “That tells me when coyotes are targeting fawns” Buxton states “when fawns hit the ground its game on for coyotes”. **Ditchkoff agrees, saying, “coyotes might have learned to identify doe behaviors that indicate fawns are nearby. That’s not unheard of. *In Alaska, they’ve documented that when a cow moose acts in a way that indicates a calf is nearby, brown bears start a systematic search to find the calf. They just hammer moose

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