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Old 06-16-2016, 08:52 PM   #1
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The worst polluter in the park is...

...none other than the Adirondack Mountain Club who are partners with LeaveNoTrace.org Why you ask?


Because during this year's annual airlift to restock John's Brook Lodge, the helicopter dropped a 50 gallon barrel of raw human wast and everything that goes with it in the vicinity of the Southside Trail and the Range Trail. ADK then sent out a single employee to "clean up" the mess. How's that for Leave No Trace?
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Old 06-16-2016, 09:29 PM   #2
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Hey, in this case it is literally s*it happens. Maybe they should have done more initially to mitigate the mess, but for at least 30 years ADK has been paying big bucks to have those barrels flown out in order to significantly reduce their "trace" in the Johns Brook Valley.

When I worked there, now 50 years ago, we dealt with a septic system that even then we perceived as inadequate given that it was a narrow piece of land between Black Brook and Johns Brook. The sewage wasn't dumped directly in the brook by any means, but it was a pretty short leach field to Black Brook.

Rather than criticize for one unfortunate, but ultimately not that serious incident, recognize that any "solution" has its risks and that one must weigh the overall gain along with the incidental loss.
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Old 06-16-2016, 09:35 PM   #3
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I would have thought that the biggest polluters in the park were people like me who drive our cars inside the blue line. Also, all the hikers who sh*t in the woods and don't bury it properly. Probably 50 gallons a day in the "high" season.
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Old 06-17-2016, 07:35 AM   #4
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Old 06-17-2016, 10:21 AM   #5
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March 2012, descending the Algonquin trail to Lake Colden, a few feet from the first stream crossing, I encountered this which was probably air-dropped from a height of two feet.




I understand your concern but (we) hikers are far more frequent polluters than the freak occurrence of a helicopter-launched poop-bomb.


BTW, that could've been non-human but it sure does make an impression doesn't it? Neil's has a pic posted on Facebook that is clearly of human origin (a copious pile of toilet-paper ... plus a sock).
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Old 06-17-2016, 02:18 PM   #6
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I thought maybe it was these guys:

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Old 06-17-2016, 03:01 PM   #7
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...none other than the Adirondack Mountain Club who are partners with LeaveNoTrace.org Why you ask?


Because during this year's annual airlift to restock John's Brook Lodge, the helicopter dropped a 50 gallon barrel of raw human wast and everything that goes with it in the vicinity of the Southside Trail and the Range Trail. ADK then sent out a single employee to "clean up" the mess. How's that for Leave No Trace?
Why "dump" on the Club?
It was an accident.
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Old 06-17-2016, 03:15 PM   #8
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In this case you have to feel really bad for that single employee. Don't ya?
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Old 06-17-2016, 03:24 PM   #9
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In this case you have to feel really bad for that single employee. Don't ya?
Yes, I do.
Would I label the Adirondack Mountain Club the worst polluter??
A resounding NO!
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Old 06-17-2016, 05:21 PM   #10
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Neil's has a pic posted on Facebook that is clearly of human origin (a copious pile of toilet-paper ... plus a sock.)
I saw that also.
Neil, really dude?!?
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Old 06-17-2016, 06:57 PM   #11
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" I encountered this which was probably air-dropped from a height of two feet." Trail Boss

Wow. What was that critter into? Didn't that bear know that he has to bury that?
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Old 06-17-2016, 08:10 PM   #12
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March 2012, descending the Algonquin trail to Lake Colden, a few feet from the first stream crossing, I encountered this which was probably air-dropped from a height of two feet.




I understand your concern but (we) hikers are far more frequent polluters than the freak occurrence of a helicopter-launched poop-bomb.


BTW, that could've been non-human but it sure does make an impression doesn't it? Neil's has a pic posted on Facebook that is clearly of human origin (a copious pile of toilet-paper ... plus a sock).

I was hoping that the picture answered the age old question,"does a bear $hit in the woods ?" But I guess presence of toilet paper debunks that ?
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Old 06-18-2016, 11:29 AM   #13
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Hey, in this case it is literally s*it happens. Maybe they should have done more initially to mitigate the mess, but for at least 30 years ADK has been paying big bucks to have those barrels flown out in order to significantly reduce their "trace" in the Johns Brook Valley.

When I worked there, now 50 years ago, we dealt with a septic system that even then we perceived as inadequate given that it was a narrow piece of land between Black Brook and Johns Brook. The sewage wasn't dumped directly in the brook by any means, but it was a pretty short leach field to Black Brook.

Rather than criticize for one unfortunate, but ultimately not that serious incident, recognize that any "solution" has its risks and that one must weigh the overall gain along with the incidental loss.
Why do back country users need a full service hotel a mere 3.5 miles from the trailhead? JBL is a joke, and don't talk to me about "tradition". And be honest, this wasn't the only time a blue barrel fell from the sky.
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Old 06-18-2016, 11:37 AM   #14
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I agree on JBL - why is it there? Don't the various areas in the blue line have the name 'Wilderness' after them? Shouldn't it be 'wild' ?
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Old 06-18-2016, 12:55 PM   #15
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I agree on JBL - why is it there? Don't the various areas in the blue line have the name 'Wilderness' after them? Shouldn't it be 'wild' ?
Uh...because it's on private land?
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Old 06-18-2016, 03:50 PM   #16
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I agree on JBL - why is it there? Don't the various areas in the blue line have the name 'Wilderness' after them? Shouldn't it be 'wild' ?
Because, my friend, we cannot create "wilderness".
Wilderness, in the AdK's existed one hundred or more years ago.
A state edict can't set back the clock.
Too many people.
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Old 06-20-2016, 12:23 PM   #17
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So if human waste is considered pollution, what should we consider deer or bear scat?

Excrement from any species usually biodegrades in a fairly quick fashion in the ADK's. Obviously taking a dump on the frozen ground will result in a prolonged breakdown process, but it nature will take its course soon enough. I do appreciate why certain groups airlift out the waste, due to the high number of visitors to certain areas of the ADK's. But in most areas, moving off the trail, digging a hole and doing your business is good enough.
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Old 06-20-2016, 02:37 PM   #18
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Everybody is entitled to their own opinions and have every right to express them.
Regarding the OP it is my opinion that the poster loves to hate the ADK and Johns Brook Lodge. This incident probably had him rubbing his hands in glee. However, the unrolling of the thread must be a major disappointment.

Like, wtf, the other people have a balanced view of things?

Without the ADK Mountain Club (along with the 46ers) and their efforts at protecting the High Peaks from the onslaught of under-educated hikers the trails, camping spots and summits would be trashed beyond all recognition. (T-Bard that is)
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Old 06-20-2016, 02:47 PM   #19
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Well said Neil!
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Old 06-25-2016, 07:12 PM   #20
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Someone signed up on an ADK forum and their first two posts was to hate on the ADK club?!?

We all would like the Adirondacks to be as natural as possible but the only way that is happening as if we close it to all human kind. Even then air pollution and other things from modern society will still effect it. No, I like visiting and experiencing the Adirondacks, even if it comes at the price of a lodge (or two) on the trail.

It's too bad this happened, but it's a simple accident. I hope they learn from the accident and take precautions in the future to prevent something similar from happening again.
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