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Old 11-18-2021, 10:31 PM   #1
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Landlocked Salmon Primer

There's been plenty of talk in the other thread about landlocks so I thought I would throw up some pictures from my short trips in the last couple weeks and some history/tactics.

DEC stocks landlocks in a number of interior ADK lakes, they are listed in the stocking list and also in the 'places to fish' county breakdown for Region 5. They are listed below 'splake' so it's likely Glen didn't read past that point to see where the good LLS lakes are. These interior lakes are almost exclusively put, grow, and take lakes so I don't feel too much guilt about talking about this fishery. DEC also stocks 24-30 inch breeder salmon into select interior lakes during november for a purely put and take fishery. Most of these fish are snatched up by icefisherman but they can provide some exciting sport if you can find them before ice-on. There are some self sustaining populations in a couple lakes where they were introduced and I've seen some wild fish in streams that feed larger lakes but these are few and far between.

Personally, I like going after these fish in the fall. They come in close to shore for extended periods of time and enter just about any lake feeder stream with adequate flow. With NY's new year round stream fishing regulations, runs of these fish are now in play for catch and release fishing. NOTE: If you do this kind of fishing you will inevitably run into spawning fish. They are easy to spot and can be avoided even though it is not illegal to fish for them. If they are moving to spawn or have finished and are dropping back, they can be targeted with streamers and are quite aggresive toward them. I sense that this fishery is underutilized because you're not likely to run into trophy fish like you'd find in lake ontario or finger lake tribs. Most fish will run from 15-20 inches and depending on the lake system you could find consistent mid 20's up to around 30 inches. They fight hard regardless of their size and the solitude of the Adirondacks in late fall is usually preferable to the great lakes circus. I've seen them run into streams from late August all the way until the first week of January. In the last decade, fish have been incrementally later in their trip to the shallows presumably due to temperature. The fish I caught in the last couple weeks have been a mixture of spawned out fish and pre-spawn fish staging off tributaries. The large female below was staged in a deep hole just off the mouth of a trib and was released quickly after a photo on the net. Another cool way to fish these fish is to anchor up in a boat and cast flies to them post spawn, I have had some spectacular number days doing this. I usually fish a floating line with varying length leader for depth. Best flies include clousers, wooly buggers, picket pins, traditional streamers, mickey finns, and hares ears. I think any trout fly would probably work but something with orange color seems to be a key. Landlocks also love to exit lakes and can also be found in their outlets often far down stream of where they've been stocked. I've personally caught fish that have travelled 10-15 water miles from their stocked lake. I've heard of others that have travelled even longer distances.

So hopefully this might give some people the itch to fish for these worthwhile gamefish this fall (plus bonus brook trout). I'll keep going until the lakes get pretty iced up and then transition to steelhead.
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Old 11-19-2021, 08:24 AM   #2
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Excellent primer, CW!!! I need to finish off my home projects and get out there!!!
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This was really well written and helpful, thank you!
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Old 11-19-2021, 12:18 PM   #4
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Ok, for the reading impaired: landlocks are cool, splake are not. Also, vtflyfish still canít catch a landlock.
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Ok, for the reading impaired: landlocks are cool, splake are not. Also, vtflyfish still canít catch a landlock.
Landlockeds are indeed cool. And to my utter dismay and chagrin I haven't yet caught one.
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Landlockeds are indeed cool. And to my utter dismay and chagrin I haven't yet caught one.
They donít really home in on worms.
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Bright sun didn't help the fishing but found a couple that wanted to play this morning. Skim ice is forming on some of the shallower ponds so this fishing is nearing an end. I'd say a couple more weeks tops if this next cold snap holds.
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Old 11-22-2021, 03:11 PM   #9
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Remember the good old days when Landlocks were stocked in 13th Lake??
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Old 11-22-2021, 10:20 PM   #10
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Yes, but my brother and I never caught one. Caught just brookies and some really nice rainbows. Trolled by Peaked Mtn stream inlet and the cliffs many times to no avail.
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Old 11-23-2021, 04:11 PM   #11
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Years ago. Vic Sasse was the ranger, lived in a log house right down the road. Nice guy, he kept a close watch on the lake. Vic opened a muzzle loading shop in his house. Probably long retired by now.
The size for keepers was 21 inches, no bait.
I caught quite a few. The most interesting was a 24 incher that I caught on a streamer, hooked in the tail. Boy, did he pull! I released him.
I also caught some nice Brookies, but no rainbows.
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Vic is still around. Getting on in years but still runs a fly shop out of his garage.
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Is there a difference between a landlock and a wild salmon?
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Is there a difference between a landlock and a wild salmon?
Landlock refers to landlocked Atlantic salmon which were native to lake Champlain, Lake Ontario, interior Maine and parts of Canada. Due to a variety of man made reasons, the native salmon in Ontario and Champlain went extinct. Currently the fish stocked there and also our interior Adirondack lakes are from Sebago Lake in Maine. So they technically are a wild strain fish but they spend part of their life in a hatchery (the Adirondack hatchery in saranac inn). Iíve seen a few truly wild stream born fish over the years around the adk but not many and not enough to maintain a population. A few years ago dec switched from east grand lake strain fish to sebago strain because the former were outlet spawners while the sebago preferred inlets but honestly I havenít seen any difference in behavior of these strains.
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Vic is still around. Getting on in years but still runs a fly shop out of his garage.
Happy to hear that!
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Very nice intro CW.
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Hello, was Vic Sasse a warden in the 13th Lake area? I think my brother and I met him there along time ago. We bought some streamer flies off of him that he recommended and we did catch a really nice rainbow trolling with an orange one. We had a nice long chat with him at his shop just down the road from 13 th Lake.
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Didn't Vic Sasse buy Tony Deeps(sp) cabin....Looked at it to buy back in the early 70's..first year teacher didn't have the money...should have bought it....
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Most likely the last lls of the season and one of the best. Note the ventral fin clips, not sure what that means or where it came from but definitely a stocked fish. Super aggressive fish considering the cold, put up big battle in close quarters of small stream.
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Didn't Vic Sasse buy Tony Deeps(sp) cabin....Looked at it to buy back in the early 70's..first year teacher didn't have the money...should have bought it....
Early 70's sounds right. It was about then when I met Vic. He lived in the log place at that time.
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