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  • #76
    Originally posted by Justin View Post
    So we should "charge for rescues" (if found negligent with a HakeSafe card or similar), but not charge a fine when violating important DEC safety regulations which nearly cost your life...?
    Perhaps they did ticket her, but would prefer not to publicize it?

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    • #77
      Originally posted by gebbyfish View Post
      Perhaps they did ticket her, but would prefer not to publicize it?
      Perhaps. However, as we're discussing ways to help others in the future, why not make it publicly known that a violation of important safety DEC regulations had occurred and an appropriate fine was applied? No exceptions. Help spread the word that these regulations need to be followed.

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      • #78
        A dilemma, to be sure.

        Another possible way to look at it is the odds of NYS charging for rescues is low because they don't even issue (justifiable) citations to the rescued.

        Don't overlook the fact that law enforcement has discretionary powers. They are charged to uphold the law but have the leeway to let some things go based on a judgment call.

        FYI
        Regarding the "snowshoe law", if you possess snowshoes but bareboot along a hard-packed, bulletproof trail without them, the regulation says "possess and use" so you're looking at a $250 fine under your "spread the word" zero-tolerance policy.

        Even if the conditions won't allow for so much as a scuffmark, let alone an honest-to-gosh post-hole, your wallet is lighter by $250. Fortunately, Rangers have the power of discretion which means, if they aren't having a bad day and you're not the umpteenth snowshoeless hiker they've encountered, the ranger may simply ask you to put them on.

        Refusing to comply would be in violation of yet another DEC regulation ... and just a dumb move that won't win you the ranger's good graces.

        Violating a regulation AND giving the ranger a hard time is likely to lead to an escort out of the park plus citations (it's happened).

        I think the one thing missing on trail signs is that non-compliance with DEC regulations can result in penalties (and/or jail time). Perhaps if more people knew there's a $250 penalty for failing to use a bear-canister, they'd rent one for a paltry few bucks.
        Last edited by Trail Boss; 12-23-2016, 01:22 PM.
        Looking for views!

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        • #79
          Agreed, but I also think we can all agree that there needs to be much stronger DEC enforcement in many areas.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by gebbyfish View Post
            Perhaps they did buy her a ticket, but would prefer not to publicize it?
            Paris is Nice in the springtime.

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            • #81
              Alps are looming on the compass.
              Perhaps Carpathians.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Justin View Post
                Agreed, but I also think we can all agree that there needs to be much stronger DEC enforcement in many areas.
                Perhaps if another good thing comes out of this, the first being the fact that the two young people lived, the next good thing will be that the DEC will get the person power they need for their mission. Was everyone else as taken aback as I was that the number of rangers is the same as it was 8 years ago, in the setting of an explosion of tourists/hikers/skiers/snowshoers in the Adirondacks?

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                • #83
                  The lifeguards whom the winter saves

                  Icing on the warm fresh cake.




                  So the Music.
                  So the Trial.












                  And the talk goes on...
                  Draining blood from well-fed faces.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by serotonin View Post
                    Icing on the warm fresh cake.


                    So the Music.
                    So the Trial.


                    And the talk goes on...
                    Draining blood from well-fed faces.

                    Another good thing comes out of it! You reminded me of one of my favorite Peter Gabriel albums!

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by serotonin View Post
                      Icing on the warm fresh cake.



                      So the Music.
                      So the Trial.


                      And the talk goes on...
                      Draining blood from well-fed faces.

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                      • #86
                        Failed fourth grade comprehension...
                        didya?












                        You wannit spoon-fed?




                        I don't wanna slap you with a cold wet fish
                        or a titanium ladle.
                        Last edited by serotonin; 12-23-2016, 09:11 PM.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by serotonin View Post
                          Failed fourth grade comprehension...
                          didya?


                          You wannit spoon-fed?

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                          • #88










                            OK.
                            Let's not lose sight of what happened.
                            What it felt like.
                            The efforts of extraction.
                            And the good advice here.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by serotonin View Post

                              OK.
                              Let's not lose sight of what happened.
                              What it felt like.
                              The efforts of extraction.
                              And the good advice here.
                              Agreed.
                              So staying somewhat on topic, here's more icing on your warm cake for you...
                              https://youtu.be/iqoXGaBO1P8

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by gebbyfish View Post
                                Was everyone else as taken aback as I was that the number of rangers is the same as it was 8 years ago, in the setting of an explosion of tourists/hikers/skiers/snowshoers in the Adirondacks?

                                Maybe a little, but not for the reason you would probably think. Unfortunately, I would be more surprised if there were actually more rangers than eight years ago, not less or the same amount. So it seems to go.

                                Rangers are pretty far down the budgetary food chain no matter how badly they may be needed. It's cheaper to rely on the public to self police and report violations when they're seen.
                                Last edited by IndLk_Brett; 12-24-2016, 05:13 AM.

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