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  • Feral hogs in Upstate NY

    Not ADK-specific, but I thought you might find this piece interesting

  • #2
    Looks like they may be a threat to ADKs in the very near future:

    From North Country Public Radio:

    Feral hogs invade Champlain Valley, Adirondacks

    (01/09/12) Invasive plants and animals have been a big problem in the North Country for decades, from Eurasian watermilfoil in Lake George to zebra mussels in the St. Lawrence River. But farmers in the Clinton County town of Peru are wrestling with a new invasive animal - and this one weighs three hundred pounds and comes with razor-sharp tusks.

    Feral pigs or boars have established a breeding population on the eastern edge of the Adirondack Park. Scientists fear the animals could spread fast, wiping out native animals and damaging crops.

    "Come on, hurry up!" Bob Rulf calls his dog up into the cab of his pick-up. And with his field manager, Richard Howard ridingshotgun, he heads off across his orchard in the Champlain Valley. It’s a gorgous mix of apple trees, farm fields and woods in the foothills of the Adirondacks – but Rulf and Howard are facing an invasion that has them stumped.

    "When we first saw these hoof marks, we thought, It's gotta be deer. Those deer are digging the seeds out. But it wasn't deer. The guys called Richard at 3 o'clock in the morning and said, 'It's pigs!'"

    These aren’t little cute pink pigs. These are big Russian boars with razor sharp tusks that weigh up to three hundred pounds. "They'll eat just about anything," Howard says. "But the main problem was over here in our corn field and they would knock it down and pull the ears all apart."

    Out in the fields, Rulf and Howard meet up with Ben Tabor. He’s a wildlife technician with the Department of Environmental Conservation. Tabor says it appears that this population of feral pigs is firmly established, having weathered at least a couple of North Country winters.

    "It seems like they've bred. We've had pictures of litters, at least three times. We saw some tracks of small size, insuating that there was another litter," he explained.

    Feral pigs are nocturnal. They move around and forage at night. But using motion activated cameras, Tabor’s team has identified roughly three dozen of these animals.

    "Somebody let them go. A few people have suggested that they're escapees from a nearby farm," he said.

    The fear is that the population could expand rapidly, spreading across the region. Pigs breed fast, with populations sometimes tripling in a single year. If that happens here, Tabor says, the environmental impact on Adirondack forests could be dramatic.

    "They're going to out compete other animals. They also tend to eat other animals directly. Amphibians, frogs, grouse, ground-nesting turkeys, any ground nesting birds definitely," Tabor explained.

    Pigs are such efficient eaters, Tabor says, that they literally wipe out everything on the ground, leaving churned mud. "Back past those pines, it's just completely devoid of any understory. It's all rooted up."

    Back in the truck, Bob Rulf and Richard Howard take me to a corner of the field where the pigs have been active. "This is what they do," Howard says, pointing to a churned up area of ground. "It looks like big foot walked through here," Rulf chimes in.

    Hillary Oles heads the Adirondack Park Invasive Plant Program, based in Keene. She says environmental groups like hers are still trying to get a grip on what a feral pig infestation might mean for the North Country.

    "All indicators from elsewhere in New York state and in other states where feral pigs have been established very much indicate that it could be a real problem," she said.

    Feral pigs have been spreading fast in the southern Tier of New York. Containing this outbreak won’t be easy. Pigs are incredibly smart, adaptable animals. Through the summer and fall, hunters and trappers have only killed half a dozen hogs. State biologists are hoping for more snow and cold weather, which should make food more scarce here in the Champlain Valley. That would help field crews as they use bait piles to lure and trap more of the hogs.
    Ahh............Wilderness.......

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    • #3
      What sort of idiot would just release these hogs into the wild?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by oruacat2 View Post
        What sort of idiot would just release these hogs into the wild?
        Last I read, they had been working their way North from Pennsylvania...they've been a big problem in the Allegheny area for years.

        I grew up in a non-hunting family, but have always wanted to get out myself...this is exactly what I was wanting to try, so maybe now's the time to finally get a license and get out.
        “Death is the only wise advisor that we have. Whenever you feel, as you always do, that everything is going wrong and you're about to be annihilated, turn to your death and ask if that is so. Your death will tell you, 'I haven't touched you yet.” Carlos Castenada

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        • #5
          Originally posted by WinterWarlock View Post
          Last I read, they had been working their way North from Pennsylvania...they've been a big problem in the Allegheny area for years.

          I grew up in a non-hunting family, but have always wanted to get out myself...this is exactly what I was wanting to try, so maybe now's the time to finally get a license and get out.
          That would be a seemingly logical way to go, however:

          For all of those reasons, state wildlife and agricultural officials would like to rid Pennsylvania of wild hogs before it's too late. They tried to do that last fall by baiting hogs into traps where entire family groups could be killed.

          Hunters, though, have inadvertently been making that job harder. They killed an estimated 300 hogs last year, but by pressuring them, especially around baited areas, hunters are actually causing the pigs to spread out rather than controlling populations, Griswold said.
          "It seems like a contradiction, but hunting is going to lead to our inability to control hogs in Pennsylvania. In this case, it's counterproductive," Griswold said.


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          This looks like a very difficult problem for states to come to grips with.
          Ahh............Wilderness.......

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          • #6
            I would think they would be good eating...no?

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            • #7
              Not sure what the alternative is then...maybe he means having a specific season? Maybe opening it up to year round helps, or perhaps the problem is there simply aren't enough hunters?

              I certainly hope they don't resort to poisons, which always have unintended consequences.

              I'm up for a pig roast - it'd be a great way to have a Gathering party!

              Scott



              Originally posted by poconoron View Post
              That would be a seemingly logical way to go, however:

              For all of those reasons, state wildlife and agricultural officials would like to rid Pennsylvania of wild hogs before it's too late. They tried to do that last fall by baiting hogs into traps where entire family groups could be killed.

              Hunters, though, have inadvertently been making that job harder. They killed an estimated 300 hogs last year, but by pressuring them, especially around baited areas, hunters are actually causing the pigs to spread out rather than controlling populations, Griswold said.
              "It seems like a contradiction, but hunting is going to lead to our inability to control hogs in Pennsylvania. In this case, it's counterproductive," Griswold said.


              See link:



              This looks like a very difficult problem for states to come to grips with.
              “Death is the only wise advisor that we have. Whenever you feel, as you always do, that everything is going wrong and you're about to be annihilated, turn to your death and ask if that is so. Your death will tell you, 'I haven't touched you yet.” Carlos Castenada

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              • #8
                Texas has more feral hogs than any other state. With mild winters, few natural predators and lots of cover, Texas is prime breeding ground. Here is a Q&A from the Texas Parks and Wildlife.


                information about wild pigs control from Ecology and Management of Wild Pigs. John C. Kinsey, CWB. 2020.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by WinterWarlock View Post
                  Not sure what the alternative is then...maybe he means having a specific season? Maybe opening it up to year round helps, or perhaps the problem is there simply aren't enough hunters?

                  I certainly hope they don't resort to poisons, which always have unintended consequences.

                  I'm up for a pig roast - it'd be a great way to have a Gathering party!

                  Scott
                  I agree that poisons are Not the way to go. To many non targeted animals will die. Years ago they used to have a bounty on the coyotes. Maybe this might be the way to go. Yes I know the state is broke but they seem to find money for other pork (no pun intended) barrel spending. Besides wild pork is good eating.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by WinterWarlock View Post
                    Not sure what the alternative is then...maybe he means having a specific season? Maybe opening it up to year round helps, or perhaps the problem is there simply aren't enough hunters?

                    Scott
                    The problem is that apparently hunting the swine at all tends to disperse the remaining animals into other, new areas where they are nearly impossible to find since they are extremely intelligent.

                    The trapping done by state agencies apparently has a much better chance of catching entire family groups, from what I've read, and mitigates against further dispersing of survivors into entirely new range areas.

                    At least that's the party line I've seen on several state wildlife websites.
                    Ahh............Wilderness.......

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                    • #11
                      Family trappings seem like the most logical way to address said problem. Is the public authorized to do so?
                      Mewonders how many piglets meet there demise by way of coyote?
                      "A culture is no better than its woods." W.H. Auden

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by geogymn View Post
                        Mewonders how many piglets meet there demise by way of coyote?
                        I wonder how many coyotes meet their demise by way of momma hogs?
                        “Death is the only wise advisor that we have. Whenever you feel, as you always do, that everything is going wrong and you're about to be annihilated, turn to your death and ask if that is so. Your death will tell you, 'I haven't touched you yet.” Carlos Castenada

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                        • #13
                          I don't think you'll find a hog killing an Adirondack coyote.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Limekiln View Post
                            I don't think you'll find a hog killing an Adirondack coyote.
                            I wonder if our Coy-Wolf hybrids would start to predate on a feral pig population? They are certainly capable and smart enough to predate on at least the young etc. I wonder if there is any examples of Wild pigs and Pure Red Wolf interactions that would be an interesting viewpoint for how that might pan out here in the Adirondacks with a strong Coywolf population. Either way I would at least guess that a strong winter above all else, would keep the feral pig population down if it did take hold. I do also agree that luring feral pigs into a pen would be far more effective then having hunters try to do it..
                            The more wilderness in the Adirondacks, the better.

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                            • #15
                              I have seen a couple videos from a guy in Texas who hunts wild hogs with dogs, mostly pitbull mix. On several occasion a dog has been killed by the hog. Maybe not the same as a pack of coyotes hunting a hog but I'd dare say the coyote might have his hands full if not careful.

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