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U.S. Will Rename 660 Geographic Features- including several Adirondack landmarks
Link to article: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...mes-180979733/
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If you click on each item in the map, it pops up a box with 5 nearby features. The proposal is to start with nearby geographic feature names in considering replacement names for the features in question. For example, the brook located near the Carry Lean-to is near features with names like "Onion Hill," "Buck Mountain," "Lewey Mountain," and "Lamphere Ridge," so the initially proposed replacement names could be something along the lines of "Onion Brook," "Buck Brook," "Lewey Brook," or "Lamphere Brook." Somewhat unimaginative but you have to start somewhere, I suppose- and it seems as good a starting point as any for dealing with renaming 660 different features across the country. But, as stated in the article, the public is also welcome to submit feedback on the proposed name changes- including, I assume, suggested alternative names for specific features. The following form can be used to submit comments electronically: https://www.regulations.gov/commento...2022-0001-0001 And the following PDF includes instructions on how to submit comments by mail: https://public-inspection.federalreg...2022-03748.pdf So... any thoughts on possible relevant alternate names for some of the features located in the ADKs? Last edited by DSettahr; 03-31-2022 at 07:21 PM.. |
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One possibility that comes to mind is that this may be an opportunity to pick at least a couple of names that accurately recognize the specific Native American cultures that played a role in the early history of the Adirondack Park. While it's generally accepted that year-round habitation of much of the park by Native Americans was fairly limited, that doesn't mean that they were completely absent, either.
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Location: New Jersey
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Thanks for the interesting post. I was not aware that the S word was so derogatory but I guess that is just my naivety of the subject.
I wonder why other names like nippletop and bossum were not deemed inappropriate but maybe that too will come. Interesting that S---- bossom ME in BSP was renamed to Moose Bossom (per the USGS link posted) which to me just seems rediculous. Most nippletops and bossom mountains appear to get their name from their resemblance to the human body shape. To create a Moose Bossum mountain just seems like a MS Word 'replace' mistake or a committee decision or perhaps an "I'll show you" response. |
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With little or no federal land inside the ADK Park don’t see where this will change any names in NY unless NYS jumps on the band wagon ? I believe the only National Forest in NY is the Hector Land Use area in the Finger lakes region ?
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Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Orwell NY
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It seems like a good program to me, and I am sure they'll come up with something suitable for the new names. The old names will linger for a while on physical maps, but since so much is done electronically now the changes can be implemented much faster, I imagine.
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Mapmakers full employment act. About time, since most acts are for lawyers and accountants.
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Whether it gets corrected on all maps will depend on the base map used at the various sites that show maps. There's the National Map which appears to be linked to the OPs first post. And then there's another one that seems to be in more widespread use.
How do I conclude this? From an experience I had with USGS correcting two location errors on their National Map. After the fixes appeared on the National Map I found that the fix didn't apply to many online maps; such as, APA, DEC Info-locator, ACME, Caltopo, Alltrails. All these seem to be using a different base map. It's appears to me to be similar to, same as, or derived from the 1970s metric maps. I concluded this because one error I fixed started with the 1970s metric maps. The second error started with the National Map which I believe was a Lat/Lon data entry error for the GNIS feature. Don |
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Just waiting for rescuers and rescuees not using same base map. This political correctness may endanger safety.
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Its not political correctness when it’s a derogatory term. SAR crews are very knowledgeable, I’m sure they will be able to handle it. There are SAR crew members on the forum, if they say it’s an issue I’ll believe it.
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Location: New Jersey
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It did pay off as one searcher reported finding a lost elederly woman in a swap after another searcher had said: "theres no way shes in there" and suggested skirting it. Nope they went deep into it, and there she was. |
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There was a time when NYSDEC had knowledgable people handling initial SAR callouts at DEC HQ in Ray Brook. Then some admin wizard decided to move all those folks (not the people, just the function) to tha Albany office. It didn't take long before massive confusion came when calls came that identified locations unfamiliar to the Albany folks. Which Deer Pond are you talking about where you need emergency help?" After several of those incidents, that SAR function was moved back to Ray Brook with former knowledgeble local staff.
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Because of my familiarity with it, this one caught my attention. "After returning from his first trip up the St. Lawrence River in 1603, French explorer Samuel de Champlain?s account of the voyage was entitled ?On Savages.? Later, as the unofficial governor of New France, Champlain followed the typical path of a 17th century colonial governor: Trying to convert the ?heathen? natives and helping to spark a wave of local conflicts." Suggestions for renaming Lake Champlain anyone? |
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Location: Rome, NY
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It’s a flat out racial slur, how can anyone support that? |
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I know not popular, but Champlain and Lake George should probably revert to their native names. But of course different tribes had different names for them, so maybe it doesn't really matter... it's a lake. Glorifying Samuel de Champlain is probably not ideal IMO.
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In Buffalo, there's an island and fishing hotspot on the Niagara River that was changed from Squaw Island to Unity Island back in 2015: https://www.wbfo.org/local/2015-06-2...d-unity-island
While the recent "cancel culture" phenomenon can go a bit overboard, I'm fine with these name changes as long as the replacement names aren't something ridiculously cringey. |
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#16 |
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All I said was it was political correctness. I didn't say I supported or didn't support it. As with any major change, especially those from gore mental bureacracies, I wonder about the unintended consequences. I also wonder how far it will go. Just observations.
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Interior Secretary Deb Haaland moves to ban the word 'squaw' from federal lands
https://www.npr.org/2021/11/19/10573...-federal-lands |
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Location: Rome, NY
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Political correctness would be changing names from Champlain or Columbus because of the history behind the people, those words have not been used themselves as racial slurs. “Wondering” if stopping using a racial slur will have consequences? I for one fully support not using racial slurs anywhere, period.
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It helps to think of it as Human Correctness. |
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