Adirondack Forum  
Rules Membership Donations and Online Store Adkhighpeaks Foundation ADKhighpeaks Forums ADKhighpeaks Wiki Disclaimer

Go Back   Adirondack Forum > The Adirondack Forum > Hunting and Fishing in the Adirondacks
FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 11-04-2019, 10:47 AM   #1
Chris I
Member
 
Chris I's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Gansevoort, NY
Posts: 193
How get a reproducing population of trout

I've always been under the impression that stocked fish, trout in particular do not reproduce. I'm sure there is much debate on that topic, I really have no idea so hope to learn.

IF that is the case how do folks bring these ponds/streams back to life with fish that a population that is naturally reproducing on their own?
__________________
"I can enjoy society in a room; but out of doors, nature is company enough for me."
Chris I is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2019, 12:33 PM   #2
gmorin71
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 624
I dont think its debatable at all, stocked trout definitely reproduce. there are several systems throughout the country that stock sterile trout that don't reproduce, but you can look up where those are put in.

New York is slowly changing their tune on the program. Their mission right now is simply tons of fish and tons of stocking. meetings are happening right now that are aimed at habitat reconstruction and rehabilitation to help support more wild fisheries. so the answer to the second part is just that...we need to improve and support the habitat
__________________
"The finest gift you can give to any fisherman is to put a good fish back, and who knows if the fish that you caught isn't someone else's gift to you?"

Lee Wulff
gmorin71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2019, 02:33 PM   #3
mgc
Member
 
mgc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 346
Quote:
Originally Posted by gmorin71 View Post
I dont think its debatable at all, stocked trout definitely reproduce. there are several systems throughout the country that stock sterile trout that don't reproduce, but you can look up where those are put in.

New York is slowly changing their tune on the program. Their mission right now is simply tons of fish and tons of stocking. meetings are happening right now that are aimed at habitat reconstruction and rehabilitation to help support more wild fisheries. so the answer to the second part is just that...we need to improve and support the habitat
Yes....
My son lives out here in Idaho and makes a good part of his living doing stream remediation and improvement. Landowners and the state each are willing to fund these endeavors due to the successful results that are achieved. He has also been up into Washington state for the same efforts. I have seen the work they do...the results are impressive. If NYS spent more time focussing on the habitat they would need to grow fewer fish for the folks that follow the stocking trucks with corn and marshmallow baited hooks.
Shutting down coal plants again is also helpful.

Another interesting one...in the 40's and 50's Wyoming hauled barrels of trout into some "Winds" alpine ponds using horses, pack mules, helicopters. They stopped doing this 70 years ago but those ponds are plumb full of fine hungry fish. Goldens, cutthroats...if you know where these ponds are the fishing is pretty great.
mgc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2019, 05:41 PM   #4
ADKpikebuster
Member
 
ADKpikebuster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: way back
Posts: 286
Dump some PBR and viagra in the water, works in the trailer park I figure it’ll work in the ponds
__________________
in memory of Jimmy Johnson, an Adirondack Legend

I used to drink a lot. I still do...but I used to, too

http://youtu.be/DJH8iMb2YXk YEEFRICKINYEEE "
ADKpikebuster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2019, 08:53 AM   #5
gmorin71
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 624
Quote:
Originally Posted by ADKpikebuster View Post
Dump some PBR and viagra in the water, works in the trailer park I figure itíll work in the ponds
why are we not immediately funding this
__________________
"The finest gift you can give to any fisherman is to put a good fish back, and who knows if the fish that you caught isn't someone else's gift to you?"

Lee Wulff
gmorin71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2019, 08:12 AM   #6
Chris I
Member
 
Chris I's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Gansevoort, NY
Posts: 193
Thanks for the responses!
__________________
"I can enjoy society in a room; but out of doors, nature is company enough for me."
Chris I is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2019, 07:29 PM   #7
Tug Hill
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 215
Any plan that wants to improve trout habitat and water quality must include beaver eradication on tributaries

of the Salmon River, East Branch of Fish Creek, etc..
Beavers have almost single handed destroyed the water quality , spawning habitat, and shade integrity of these and other brook trout waters.
Tug Hill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2019, 03:36 PM   #8
bassanglers912
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 213
So, on our river, there hasn't been any stocking of these in recent years according to the stocking lists by the DEC. However, old information indicates that they were stocked a while ago, so they are either heritage (which i doubt) or a success of the stocking program. We got these in October, with my wife out-fishing me 3-1!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg EVM_DlgoTo6Z4Ywzqt7DQw.jpg (110.5 KB, 235 views)
File Type: jpg yZ9nR_M9T9eh7o7JnZpRcQ.jpg (143.8 KB, 233 views)
bassanglers912 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2019, 05:56 PM   #9
Woodly
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: SNY
Posts: 521
Real nice fish for sure.
Woodly is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2019, 09:25 AM   #10
vtpaws
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris I View Post
I've always been under the impression that stocked fish, trout in particular do not reproduce. I'm sure there is much debate on that topic, I really have no idea so hope to learn.



IF that is the case how do folks bring these ponds/streams back to life with fish that a population that is naturally reproducing on their own?


Three years ago I bought 20 fingerling Brookies through a local farm store and put them in my spring fed pond. When I go down to the pond this time of year, you can see the gravel spawning beds. They spawn - even in my pond.
vtpaws is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2020, 11:46 AM   #11
Chris I
Member
 
Chris I's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Gansevoort, NY
Posts: 193
Quote:
Originally Posted by vtpaws View Post
Three years ago I bought 20 fingerling Brookies through a local farm store and put them in my spring fed pond. When I go down to the pond this time of year, you can see the gravel spawning beds. They spawn - even in my pond.
Curious to pond size, depth. We have the ability to build one on our property and am curious as to how deep we'd want to go
__________________
"I can enjoy society in a room; but out of doors, nature is company enough for me."
Chris I is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2020, 01:37 PM   #12
bioguide
Member
 
bioguide's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Niskayuna, NY
Posts: 486
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tug Hill View Post
Any plan that wants to improve trout habitat and water quality must include beaver eradication on tributaries

of the Salmon River, East Branch of Fish Creek, etc..
Beavers have almost single handed destroyed the water quality , spawning habitat, and shade integrity of these and other brook trout waters.
I'm thinking there was a time when the beaver and trout were plentiful and well established with a nice balanced population of each. I suspect it is us humans that have single handily destroyed the water quality, spawning habitat, and shade integrity of brook trout waters. As far as eradication goes... well... the real culprit may be getting a dose of that now.
__________________
My YouTube channel

Last edited by bioguide; 04-22-2020 at 02:02 PM..
bioguide is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-30-2020, 11:07 AM   #13
EagleCrag
Member
 
EagleCrag's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Gloversville, NY
Posts: 1,234
Some species have specific requirements. Rainbows, I've been told, require running water. They may create beds and lay eggs, but there normally isn't enough oxygen for the eggs to survive in lakes. Smelt also require running water, normally. There are some instances though where they multiply without it. Theory is that they have found some areas of the lake where the water is highly oxygenated by wave action and will support reproduction. I'm no expert so perhaps someone else may wish to chime in. I also agree with Bioguide's comments.
EagleCrag is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-30-2020, 11:16 AM   #14
vtpaws
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 21
I had responded above about how my brook trout trout spawn in my pond. Itís about 20 feet deep. Itís been 6 years and they spawn, but they either donít hatch, or they get eaten. I only have fish from that original stock. I know because I stick my go pro in to get footage from time to time. There are some big boys in it now....
vtpaws is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-30-2020, 11:48 AM   #15
Woodly
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: SNY
Posts: 521
Quote:
Originally Posted by vtpaws View Post
I had responded above about how my brook trout trout spawn in my pond. Itís about 20 feet deep. Itís been 6 years and they spawn, but they either donít hatch, or they get eaten. I only have fish from that original stock. I know because I stick my go pro in to get footage from time to time. There are some big boys in it now....

Do the hatchings/fry have a place to hide? Such as sunken limbs or a roll of fencing you threw in?


Might any 'extra oxygenated water' come from under ground springs?
Woodly is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-30-2020, 12:26 PM   #16
bluequill
Member
 
bluequill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Keene
Posts: 815
Years ago I helped plant eggs in a prospective stream. The first priority was to find a clean gravelly area with steady, gently flowing water. The need to keep sediment and siltation at a minimum was essential.
bluequill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2020, 12:56 PM   #17
Lucky13
Member
 
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 597
Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodly View Post
Do the hatchings/fry have a place to hide? Such as sunken limbs or a roll of fencing you threw in?


Might any 'extra oxygenated water' come from under ground springs?
Spring water is generally devoid of oxygen, unless it has been exposed to the atmosphere relatively close to where it expresses in the pond.
Lucky13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2020, 04:37 PM   #18
Woodly
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: SNY
Posts: 521
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky13 View Post
Spring water is generally devoid of oxygen, unless it has been exposed to the atmosphere relatively close to where it expresses in the pond.
Thanks...I did not know that.
Woodly is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:21 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.

DISCLAIMER: Use of these forums, and information found herein, is at your own risk. Use of this site by members and non-members alike is only granted by the adkhighpeak.com administration provided the terms and conditions found in the FULL DISCLAIMER have been read. Continued use of this site implies that you have read, understood and agree to the terms and conditions of this site. Any questions can be directed to the Administrator of this site.